YF-22 vs YF-23

allenperos · by **allenperos** » 17 Aug 2005, 04:47

Not to fret, the aircraft will be back in some way shape or form.

LordOfBunnies · by **LordOfBunnies** » 17 Aug 2005, 06:56

Now that many of the major aircraft contractors were forced to consolidated in part due to this contract, is it viable to have major contracts like this again? I mean Northrupp and Grumman joined up, and Lockheed also absorbed someone didn't they? Oh well, with these major Design, Build, Test contracts they seem to costs so much that its almost insane to ask companies to do this again. Am I just insane for thinking this or will the AF offer more incentive next time around?

allenperos · by **allenperos** » 17 Aug 2005, 09:00

Everyone is going to get involved in the restoration besides the Air Force, it is scheduled to undergo a bombing role and will be in part the responsibilty of Boeing if I'm not mistaken. Read the LA Times article by Guy Norris in a previous post.

ximeno · by **ximeno** » 06 Dec 2005, 05:16

these are some new pics that I found. long live the F-23[img]

Pat1 · by **Pat1** » 06 Dec 2005, 06:14

Hi ximeno,

Do you have dates to go with those pics?

Thanks in advance

ximeno · by **ximeno** » 06 Dec 2005, 07:22

PAT1 no I don't but what I can tell you is that from multiple sights (scramble.nl) and people that it was after they moved it this year or sometime last summer. (hence the leak)
but
from I did hear is that northrup is thinking of putting a scramjet or ramjet on it. I was told that this info was from "Aviation Weekly" but I don't know what issue it was from, all that I know that it was sometime this year. The article also states the intermediate bomber to fill the missing role of the F-111.[/quote]

Sniper69 · by **Sniper69** » 06 Dec 2005, 07:44

But the F-15E covers the F-111's old mission. That would be cool to see a YFB-22, YFB-23 flyoff though :thumb:

ximeno · by **ximeno** » 06 Dec 2005, 08:35

no not really, it can't go as fast as the F-111 can
the F-111 can go around mach 3
yfb-22 flyoff don't count on it because----

LM has 2 contracts now, both overbudget.

AF want a new bomber to be able to go stateside to ?, fastser and cheaper than using the wing bomber.

and what is going to replace the jets in service now when there service life is met, when the earliest expectation for the JFS is when it is years away?

Roscoe · by **Roscoe** » 06 Dec 2005, 14:30

F-111 going Mach 3? Not a chance. You're smoking that wacky weed again

boff180 · by **boff180** » 06 Dec 2005, 14:43

Maybe he means low level ability; the F-111 had a low level terrain following capability second only to the Tornado. I know the F-15E is equipped with terrain following radar however its huge wing area is a big negative factor in extreme low level ops... not only does it dramatically increase bufetting making weapon release more inaccurate but it also heightens crew fatigue from the buffeting. To quote one of my books that compares low-level intidictor aircraft it likens the F-15E to the Mirage-2000D/N "litteraly shakes your eyeballs out of their sockets".

Andy

Safetystick · by **Safetystick** » 06 Dec 2005, 15:19

Quite, with the emphasis on medium altitude bombing the empasis has switched from low level speed/agility (that the Tonka and F-111 excelled at) to sensor capability and payload capacity. Certainly the F-15E has the F-111 beat on sensors (SAR, modern targetting pods, etc) although its pretty close between the F-111 and the F-15E on payload!

Of course, we are now approaching a new age where even raw payload capacity is less of a concern compared to stealth due to the introduction of SDB and the like. Without the penalty of reduced weapons carriage, an F/B-22 (or 23) becomes a very attractive project, replacing both the F-15E and the F-117 in one airframe!

But a Mach 3 F-111? Is that downhill, with the wind beind you, frictionless air and a rocket tied to the ****?

Guysmiley · by **Guysmiley** » 06 Dec 2005, 16:36

With the fuel dump on fire and 8 reindeer hitched to it...

habu2 · by **habu2** » 06 Dec 2005, 22:50

I have posted a few YF-23 pics in this thread that were taken at the USAF Museum annex in August of this year. Not a pretty sight.....

Guysmiley · by **Guysmiley** » 06 Dec 2005, 23:03

Ouch. Poor girl. You'd think they at least wouldn't have taken a saw to the wings.

ximeno · by **ximeno** » 07 Dec 2005, 05:32

Roscoe -your bois is THAT REALLY what you do if so you know more from a management pov not a mechanic pov, have you work on civi jets? If so what ?

Oh yes, I would like to know why the f-16 are not allowed to shoot their guns?