Norway may no longer require drag chute

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Unread post01 Dec 2017, 23:16

spazsinbad wrote::devil: Sew the trucks spred the sne evenly over the previously clear road? COOL. :doh:


Of, of course! We can't discriminate lanes. One lane having all the snow while the others don't is an act of discrimination that cannot be tolerated :lol:
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Unread post03 Dec 2017, 15:10

Take a trip up north in winter some time - the snowcleaners @OSL airport are COOL to watch.
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Unread post04 Dec 2017, 15:53

A few minutes of winter operation at OSL airport

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB-_S2Kjeqg
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 16:02

F-35 is used on Norwegian winter conditions
Article by Morten "Dolby" Hanche

The flight crew flies in Norwegian weather and lands on slippery runway. The F-35 is not dependent on the drag chute during all winter conditions

I recently read that the F-35 does not handle slippery runways. Can it really be that the air force have bought a fighter plane that we can not use in winter weather? That would be stupid. Fortunately, it's probably not true.

The development of the F-35A drag chute began in 2010. Testing on the airplane began this summer and if everything goes according to plan, testing will be completed during spring 2018. The test, for which colleague Eskil Amdal is a part, is intended to qualify F-35A for winter conditions. For our part, it may also mean using the drag chute.

Already in the new year, the plan is that we will begin to fly with the drag chute system mounted here at home. Because the technical testing has not yet been completed, we will initially have a smaller "envelope" to operate within. We nevertheless think it's worth getting started early so that we can already start collecting experience with the F-35A combination on winter wear with a brake pad.

In line with the plan

ABC News recently wrote an article that could give the impression that the F-35A has to stand on the ground if the runway is slippery. That's not correct.

"On Monday, I learned for the first time that F-35 tackled ice conditions were good."


It is important to be aware that the F-35 will be able to operate on winter wear also without a drag chute. It's not a be or not-be. "It depends" is an answer I often have to resort to. In this context, there are many factors, including how much weight the aircraft is carrying, how slippery the runway is, how long the runway is, if the airplane keeps the correct landing speed, whether the airplane is using the correct technique, whether the plane has a technical fault, how The surface of the runway is, altitude of the runway, what the temperature is, where the center of gravity of the aircraft is based on the current combination of cargo and fuel, To mention a few.

Larger margins and extra flexibility

The drag chute gives us greater margins: It allows to handle larger variations from the optimal. We will especially tackle the combination of high weight and slippery runway better. In addition, it gives us additional flexibility by opening for use of runways where brake wires are not installed.

I had the pleasure of trying myself in proper Norwegian conditions both last Friday and Monday. On Monday, I learned for the first time that F-35 tackled ice conditions very well. It was also positive to discover how easy it was to stop the machine on the runway, which was covered by slush. Some may agree to call this winter conditions. It was in any case more wintery than in Arizona.

In flight, I have learned that the world is rarely black and white. Context, prerequisites, knowledge and ability makes a difference. Everything is related to everything. I think this lesson has universal validity. For me, it means, among other things, that I am careful to "buy" obscure statements in the media, regardless of subject matter.


http://nettsteder.regjeringen.no/kampfly/2017/12/06/f-35-blir-brukt-pa-norsk-vinterfore/
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Unread post08 Dec 2017, 21:24

A Norwegian NOT buying what the media is peddling? <shocking> <shocking I tell you>
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, add dollop of F-117 & gob of F-22, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well, then bake. Whaddya get? An F-35.
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Unread post21 Jan 2018, 21:47

ricnunes wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:
ricnunes wrote:...After eating a Snickers chocolate bar, I feel much better and the state of dementia above has finally passed :mrgreen: Great photos there, keep sharing them :thumb:

Your command is my wish (for snickering)
"F-35 Icy Runway Testing at Eielson AFB Maj. Jonathan “Spades” Gilbert, U.S. Air Force F-35 test pilot, demonstrates the handling qualities of the F-35 during icy runway ground testing at Eielson Air Force Base, Alaska, in November 2017. The testing is part of the certification process for the Norwegian drag chute." [you see them above] https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4533/386 ... 63_o_d.jpg (2Mb)
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https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4545/248 ... 5d_o_d.jpg (1.75)


Get some nuts :mrgreen:

8) :devil: Knibble Knobbys Knuts: :doh: :roll: :pint:



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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 14:08

Norwegian office today reports the chute has been deployed @Ørland MAB for the first time:

https://twitter.com/Kampfly_no/status/9 ... 8017355777

Sadly, their tinyurl was incorrect. Time may help us in getting the right one. Either way; i nagged them a little for it.
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 15:34

CHUTE: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWegPNoW0AAppaL.jpg TRANSLATE:
"On Air Force Base Ørland, the Air Force used the first-time brake screen on landing of the F-35 aircraft! The specially developed F-35 brake screen will ensure that the Norwegian combat aircraft land safely in demanding weather conditions. Read more here": https://tinyurl.com/yco5cj3c


DAS TeensyWeensy URL worketh now: https://www.regjeringen.no/no/aktuelt/h ... id2590220/
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 15:46

https://translate.google.com.au/transla ... edit-text=
Historical: The first time the F-35 combat plane used a brake screen in Norway
20 Feb 2018 NorskDef

"On Air Force Base Ørland, the Air Force used the first-time brake screen on landing of the F-35 aircraft on February 16th. The specially designed F-35 brake screen will ensure that Norwegian fighter aircraft land safely in demanding weather conditions. "Our combat aircraft must be able to land during extreme Norwegian winter conditions, and Norway with experience in this will help develop and test the F-35 brake screen. I am very pleased that the Air Force is on its way to operational ability with the F-35 in 2019, even under difficult winter conditions, says Program Director of the Kampfly Program Morten Klever.

Almost a year ago, the testing and certification of the specially developed brake screen for the F-35 combat aircraft started. In Norway we operate under more extreme winter conditions than most other countries in the world. It involves low temperatures, strong winds, poor visibility and smooth runways. "Being able to operate combat aircraft under varying weather conditions has a decisive impact on the Armed Forces operational ability," says General Morten Klever. "I am very pleased that we are on track with the last part of the Alaska Brake Screen Testing, and have now verified that the system works as it should on the planes that have come to Ørland.

Tests of the combat plane brake screen
F-35 The F-35 brake screen started around Easter times last year, testing the F-35's behavior in the air with a mounted brake pad and how the brake screen works on a dry and wet runway. In the second phase in Alaska, the pilot tests the brake screen on an icy runway. Norwegian test pilot Eskil Amdal from Defense Materials participates in the test program under arctic conditions that will be completed in the spring. All testing in Alaska takes place with the AF-2 aircraft, which is a specially designed test plane for this purpose. In Norway, however, we used the production model of the aircraft, which confirms that the combat aircraft operates in line with expectations.

- The F-35 has proven far more stable during landing with a brake screen than F-16, which can be quite angry to handle in such situations. Among other things, this is because the F-35 is heavier and has a wider landing position. The Air Force has now verified the procedures for mounting and operating the Brake Display on Ørland, which supports the work on the final certification of the system. This is a big step towards ensuring that our new combat aircraft can operate safely in extreme Norwegian weather conditions, "says Klever.

What is a brake screen?
Brake screen is a «parachute» used to reduce the speed of a plane after it has landed. The Norwegian brake shield concept is based on two parts. The one part is modifications on the plane itself (often referred to as Group A) that reinforces those parts of the body that will absorb the huge forces using the brake screen, allowing you to attach the brake screen to the aircraft and activate it from the cockpit. The other part is the actual brake screen with the "housing" it lies in when it is mounted on the back of the plane between the two tail surfaces (commonly referred to as Group B).

PHOTO: "On the battlefield base of Ørland, the Air Force used the first time on February 16 for a first time brake screen on landing the F-35 aircraft plane: The Air Force" https://www.regjeringen.no/globalassets ... orland.jpg
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"The first time the brake screen was tested on F-35 in Norway. Photo: Air Force" https://www.regjeringen.no/globalassets ... skjerm.jpg


Watch film of landing on the Defense's Youtube!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5aPvJakASc

Source: https://www.regjeringen.no/no/aktuelt/h ... id2590220/

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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 15:57

Official, in english:

https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/h ... id2590220/

Stumbled across a nice video:

http://video.tu.no/f-35-over-norske-fjell

More images: https://www.tu.no/artikler/video-her-te ... ell/430869

5148, 5149 and 5150 are home. The mountains in the middle video are stunning. In summer too ;)
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 16:42

NICE VIDEO of what exactly? Just a bunch of random stuff as far as I can see. Anyhoo a sequence.
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 17:23

krorvik wrote:Norwegian office today reports the chute has been deployed @Ørland MAB for the first time:

https://twitter.com/Kampfly_no/status/9 ... 8017355777

Sadly, their tinyurl was incorrect. Time may help us in getting the right one. Either way; i nagged them a little for it.


Kamerat krorvik ! Just to be sure, bremseskjerm(en) is drag chute, right ?
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 17:33

Left to Right: F-16 & F-35A Norsk Chute Controls - Cockpit Upper Left: https://img.gfx.no/2217/2217336/3516.jpg
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 18:35

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