Identifying ADF batch
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Hello,
Most of you know that at the end of the eighties, early nineties, 273 A/B models (247 A's and 26 B's) were earmarked for conversion in the so-called ADF version. With the fall of the Berlin Wall, the program wasn't completely accomplished. Of the B-models only 24 aircraft were converted and of the A-models only 217.
We have a few FY numbers of A-models of which we do not know whether they were converted or not. These are:
, just let me know the facts on this one.
Greets,
Most of you know that at the end of the eighties, early nineties, 273 A/B models (247 A's and 26 B's) were earmarked for conversion in the so-called ADF version. With the fall of the Berlin Wall, the program wasn't completely accomplished. Of the B-models only 24 aircraft were converted and of the A-models only 217.
We have a few FY numbers of A-models of which we do not know whether they were converted or not. These are:
- 80-0556
- 80-0577
- 80-0578
- 80-0579
- 82-0958
- 82-0997
- 82-1001
, just let me know the facts on this one.
Greets,
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Bjorn, I found my info but it is not as complete as I thought. I have an aarticle by author Rene' J Francillon dated late 1991. His article states that, as of 25 October 1991, OALC had modified 222 F-16s to ADF configuration, with 19 in work and 30 more scheduled. He then lists all serial numbers of the 241 (222+19) jets converted/under conversion. Of the SerNos Rene' documents, only 80-0578 appears in his list. The other SerNos you list are in the 'gaps' in his list. No SerNo info on the 30 scheduled jets. 
Note that 222+19+30=271. The text of his article states that GD built one ADF prototype (the Block 10 80-0525) and supplied 269 kits to Ogden. This totals 270 ADFs, as I have read elsewhere. I would guess his number of 30 scheduled conversions was off by one, as his list does contain 241 SerNos.
If anyone can look at an ADF -1 all the effected SerNos are listed in the front. Unfortunately I don't have access to an ADF -1.
Hope that helps,
G
Note that 222+19+30=271. The text of his article states that GD built one ADF prototype (the Block 10 80-0525) and supplied 269 kits to Ogden. This totals 270 ADFs, as I have read elsewhere. I would guess his number of 30 scheduled conversions was off by one, as his list does contain 241 SerNos.
If anyone can look at an ADF -1 all the effected SerNos are listed in the front. Unfortunately I don't have access to an ADF -1.
Hope that helps,
G
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An additional note - 82-1001 has been photographed in ADF form many times - this was the 147 FG, 111 FS (Texas ANG) 75th Anniversary bird "Balls 1". It is also featured in the Fujimi 1:72 kit.
Bare Metal Decals also depict several ADF jets. Of those on your list, 80-0577 is on sheets 72-11 and 48-35; 82-0958 is on sheet 48-30; 82-1001 is on sheets 72-15 and 48-37.
Bare Metal Decals also depict several ADF jets. Of those on your list, 80-0577 is on sheets 72-11 and 48-35; 82-0958 is on sheet 48-30; 82-1001 is on sheets 72-15 and 48-37.
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Greg,
Thanks for the info.
Concerning the total amount of conversions. It should read 273 minus 32. So your list of the article could well be complete. I mean, the aircraft that were effectively converted we have these sernos. Than we can do a 'negative deduction' and then we know the ones who were earmarked but didn't make it.
Question? Would it be possible to scan the article and just send it to me.
You can do it at photos@f-16.net
Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the info.
Concerning the total amount of conversions. It should read 273 minus 32. So your list of the article could well be complete. I mean, the aircraft that were effectively converted we have these sernos. Than we can do a 'negative deduction' and then we know the ones who were earmarked but didn't make it.
Question? Would it be possible to scan the article and just send it to me.
You can do it at photos@f-16.net
Thanks in advance.
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Bjorn, give me a couple of days and I will scan the article (seven pages w/photos). There are several photos, one I found especially interesting was A/ADF 82-0956 in markings for 422nd TES, 57th FWW (tailcode WA, tailflash yellow/black checkerboard).
As to the total number of ADFs, Rene's list of 241 can be increased by (at least) the three mentioned above. Bare Metal is pretty thorough so I'm confident the SerNos they depicted were actually ADFs.
Also, even though Rene's article lists 80-0578, Lindsay Peacock's later book does not show 578 as having been converted... hmmmmm.
As to the total number of ADFs, Rene's list of 241 can be increased by (at least) the three mentioned above. Bare Metal is pretty thorough so I'm confident the SerNos they depicted were actually ADFs.
Also, even though Rene's article lists 80-0578, Lindsay Peacock's later book does not show 578 as having been converted... hmmmmm.
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Hi Bjorn,
I've gone through my computerized list of F-16 slides in my collection and believe I have photographic evidence that all 7 Vipers you listed had the bulging ADF mods to the tail and the vanes forward of the cockpit.
Here's what I can offer (dates are when photo was taken):
Steve Nation
Kensington, CA 94707 USA
I've gone through my computerized list of F-16 slides in my collection and believe I have photographic evidence that all 7 Vipers you listed had the bulging ADF mods to the tail and the vanes forward of the cockpit.
Here's what I can offer (dates are when photo was taken):
- 80-0556 IL/169FS 07.92 (Illinois ANG)
- 80-0577 PR/198FS 11.93 & FL/159FS 03.92 (Puerto Rico & Florida ANG)
- 80-0578 179FS 10.91 (Minnesota ANG)
- 80-0579 171FS 01.94 & 06.93 (Michigan ANG)
- 82-0958 IL/169FS 07.94
- 82-0997 111FS 01.97 at DMA arrivals ramp already coded (Texas ANG)
- 82-1001 111FS 01.97 at DMA arrivals ramp already coded
Steve Nation
Kensington, CA 94707 USA
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OK, now we're taking it to another level.
Greg, I will be very happy to receive your article. Take your time, it's not urgent.
Steve, if your information is correct, than we have a slight problem.
Could I ask you something? Of course, I will. I got a no and a yes can be obtained, so here it goes.
I don't know how comprehensive your photocollection is and I presume that your collection doen't contain a picture of every ADF, but photomaterial is still the best evidence. Could you browse through your list and tell me of which ADF you have a picture. The reason for this question is to cross-check every source that we have. In this way we could solve another problem.
If you like to do this, please take your time.
Greets,
Greg, I will be very happy to receive your article. Take your time, it's not urgent.
Steve, if your information is correct, than we have a slight problem.
Could I ask you something? Of course, I will. I got a no and a yes can be obtained, so here it goes.
I don't know how comprehensive your photocollection is and I presume that your collection doen't contain a picture of every ADF, but photomaterial is still the best evidence. Could you browse through your list and tell me of which ADF you have a picture. The reason for this question is to cross-check every source that we have. In this way we could solve another problem.
If you like to do this, please take your time.
Greets,
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