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Unread post19 Jun 2018, 23:10

geforcerfx wrote:
sferrin wrote: They better hope they stop that first jet or the whole effort is pointless.


Why? It's a training jet at Luke isn't it? doesn't go anywhere doesn't fly unless we let it.


Did not know that. Good to hear.
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Unread post20 Jun 2018, 22:40

vilters wrote:I live in Belgium-Europe and UNFORTUNATELY we have the Turkish National TV on our TV Cable network. A disgrace to all.

I write "Unfortunately", because you can turn the TV on at ANY time of the day, it is Erdolan again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

They have only a single artist, a single reporter, a single singer, a single show :
The ERDOLAN Show, form morning, till evening, and if you missed something, look at night.

The state controlled Turk National TV is a MASTER in the game of brain washing its population.

Come to think of it. He must be close friends with that other dictator wannabe clown from North Korea.
They also SHOUT the news to their listeners over there. LOL.


That is "democracy" by Erdoğan point of view. You can't see anyone else because they are in prison …. :lmao:
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Unread post22 Jun 2018, 21:52

Turkey gets first F-35, but faces halt on future deliveries if Congress gets its way
21 Jun 2018 Valerie Insinna

"...After the delivery, Turkey’s first F-35 is set to move to Luke Air Force Base, Ariz., where the Turkish pilots will be embedded inside a U.S. Air Force training squadron and learn to operate the F-35 alongside American pilots.

Turkish maintainers have already started their training at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida, Ufuk Er [Turkish Maj. Gen. Reha Ufuk Er] said."

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Unread post22 Jun 2018, 23:25

Turkey Receives First F-35 Despite Political Row
22 Jun 2018 Chris Pocock

"...Turkey has been a level-two partner in the F-35 program since 2002, when it joined early in the System Design and Development (SDD) phase. It has stated a requirement for 100 aircraft, and the Turkish aerospace industry is providing parts and software for the entire program. In late 2014, the F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) chose Turkey as the location for overhauls of the jet’s F135 engine. Pratt & Whitney created a joint venture in Izmir with Kale Aero in 2010, to manufacture parts for the F135.

Turkey’s first F-35 was shown at the ceremony with a SOM-J cruise missile developed by Roketsan and Tubitak-SAGE, and a 500-pound bomb equipped with the HGK GPS/INS guidance kit developed by the latter company. Turkish air force Maj. Gen. Rehar Ufuker said that both these Turkish weapons would be integrated with the F-35 “in the near future.” Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control has partnered with Roketsan to jointly develop and market the SOM-J.

Lockheed Martin leadership made no reference to the Senate action at the ceremony. However, chairman, president and CEO Marillyn Hewson said that the F-35 is “a decisive strategic tool [in cementing] strong and effective alliances.” Ufuker echoed the sentiment, saying that Turkey’s F-35s would “contribute greatly to the NATO alliance and regional security.” The country is offering to provide aircrew and maintenance training for other NATO allies that are buying F-35s, he added."

Photo: "At the delivery ceremony for Turkey’s first F-35, two indigenous weapons were shown. (Photo: Lockheed Martin)" https://www.ainonline.com/sites/default ... emony-.jpg


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Unread post23 Jun 2018, 04:10

Like delivering F-14s to the IIAF in 1976...
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Unread post23 Jun 2018, 19:49

the general has an interesting name
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Unread post23 Jun 2018, 21:19

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Unread post24 Jun 2018, 17:57

sferrin wrote:
geforcerfx wrote:
sferrin wrote: They better hope they stop that first jet or the whole effort is pointless.


Why? It's a training jet at Luke isn't it? doesn't go anywhere doesn't fly unless we let it.


Did not know that. Good to hear.


Is this really how LM and Americans hope to sell the F-35 to Finland, who focuses great attention on self-reliance (logistical and operational)? :doh:
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Unread post24 Jun 2018, 18:09

Why does FINLAND feature in a TURKEY thread? Is Finland part of NATO? Is Finland buying Russian/Chinese equipment? NO.
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Unread post24 Jun 2018, 18:27

f4u7_corsair wrote:
Is this really how LM and Americans hope to sell the F-35 to Finland, who focuses great attention on self-reliance (logistical and operational)? :doh:


That's pretty normal unless you think countries automatically have bases setup to handle the F-35 with pre trained crews and pilots.
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Unread post24 Jun 2018, 22:19

f4u7_corsair wrote:
Is this really how LM and Americans hope to sell the F-35 to Finland, who focuses great attention on self-reliance (logistical and operational)? :doh:


That's how the Finn's would train with there first few jets and crews, then take the jets and trained experienced personel back to Finland where there home training base awaits. Those first pilots and maintainers are trained on the jet and trained how to train future pilots and crews, after this is done they have the knowledge and experience to train in there home country like most F-35 operators are.
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Unread post28 Jun 2018, 23:36

US Likely to Block F-35 Sale if Turkey Buys Russian Missile: Official

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The United States could still block the delivery of F-35 stealth jets to Turkey if Ankara buys Russia's S-400 air defense system, a senior official said Wednesday.

U.S. defense giant Lockheed Martin delivered an F-35 to Turkish officials in Texas last week, but Assistant Secretary of State Wess Mitchell warned the program could still be halted.

The advanced jets will remain on U.S. soil in Arizona while their Turkish pilots are trained, giving the State Department time to intervene, the top official told a Senate hearing.

"In this program the U.S. maintains custody of aircraft until they are transferred. That normally occurs after a lengthy training process," Mitchell told the Senate Foreign Relations committee.

"We believe that we have existing legal authorities that would allow us to withhold transfer under certain circumstances, including national security concerns," he said.

"Given that, we believe that we continue to have time and ability to assure that Turkey does not move forward on S-400 before having to take a decision on F-35," he explained.

Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was re-elected at the weekend with increased presidential powers.

His administration is in dispute with its NATO ally Washington on a number of points, including its repeatedly stated intent to deploy Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft missile system.

This would mean Turkey's defenses are not compatible with those of its Western allies and put it in breach of U.S. sanctions aimed at hobbling Russia's defense export sector.

U.S. lawmakers are working on ways to punish Turkey if it buys the S-400 or if it continues to imprison two dozen US citizens on "unjust" charges under Erdogan's state of emergency.

But Mitchell said President Donald Trump's administration already has the powers its needs under existing sanctions laws.

He said the U.S. had been clear that "an acquisition of S-400 will inevitably affect the prospects for Turkish military-industrial cooperation with the United States, including F-35s."

"We can't be any clearer in saying, both privately and publicly: a decision on S-400s will qualitatively change the US-Turkish relationship in a way that would be very difficult to repair."

Turkey has said the agreement on the S-400 system had already been reached, but Mitchell told lawmakers that Washington would judge this "when there's actual delivery of the technology."
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Unread post29 Jun 2018, 03:15

Not that I think Turkey should get the F-35, but did the US Government have any beefs when Greece acquired the S-300PMU's? Understand the HAF acquired them in a round about way from Cyprus.
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Unread post29 Jun 2018, 10:20

Erdolan does not care any more.
He won the elections and is now God himself. (Or allah)
He could rewrite the Koran into "The battle of 2020" and his people would still support him.

Blocking the F-35 is the only sane thing to do.

Remember the F-14 , the F-4 and F-5 sales to Iran?

History has the nasty habit of repeating itself.
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Unread post29 Jun 2018, 13:26

durahawk wrote:Not that I think Turkey should get the F-35, but did the US Government have any beefs when Greece acquired the S-300PMU's? Understand the HAF acquired them in a round about way from Cyprus.


Greece wasn't buying F-35s. It's F-16s, good as they are, were already a well known quantity, so it was less of an issue.
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