Israel pays for additional F-35s

noth · by **noth** » 27 Oct 2018, 04:47

Jerusalem Post have an article up about buying 11 billion USD in equipment from Boeing, including a squadron of F-15IA, a squadron of CH-47F to replace a squadron of CH-53s, some V-22s, and KC-46.

More here: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/A-loo ... IAF-570355

Quite the shopping list.

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 07 Nov 2018, 22:36

Israel threatens to target Russia-manned S-300s in Syria

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/11/ ... Syria-S300

“Actions would undoubtedly take place, should [an attack] occur, against the launchers used to attack” the occupied territories or Israeli planes, he said, adding, “I hope greatly that there would be no Russian military specialists [at S-300 sites].”

hythelday · by **hythelday** » 07 Nov 2018, 22:43

marsavian wrote:Israel threatens to target Russia-manned S-300s in Syria

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/11/ ... Syria-S300

“Actions would undoubtedly take place, should [an attack] occur, against the launchers used to attack” the occupied territories or Israeli planes, he said, adding, “I hope greatly that there would be no Russian military specialists [at S-300 sites].”

Avigdor Liberman (MoD) said back in October:

"we did not give up any of our operational needs in Syria" and stated that "just because you don't hear [about Israeli strikes in Syria] that does not mean it didn't happen."

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Secur ... ent-569378

AFAIK Netanyahu also made similar statements. I think they'll still wait 3 months the Russians said they needed for train & equip mission, after that - it's game on.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 08 Nov 2018, 06:52

noth wrote:Jerusalem Post have an article up about buying 11 billion USD in equipment from Boeing, including a squadron of F-15IA, a squadron of CH-47F to replace a squadron of CH-53s, some V-22s, and KC-46.

More here: https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/A-loo ... IAF-570355

Quite the shopping list.

Don't count on seeing Israel buy more F-15's than the USAF. Which, has flatly stated they have no interest in more Eagles...

chucky2 · by **chucky2** » 09 Nov 2018, 19:54

Israel isn't really paying for them though, we are via Israeli "aid"...so it's not skin off their back if they use our money to buy brand spanking new F-15IA that we tell them they're "buying"...

...it's not like there won't be another multi-$B "aid" package we'll give them for the next round of MIC purchases, they can get more Block 4.something F-35's then...

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 09 Nov 2018, 20:37

IIRC they are also pushing for the US to dev and upgrade current F-15s also.

In light of that I would say that upgrading all of their current F-15s is worth more than a few more F-35s, especially considering that they can always get more F-35s later.

chucky2 · by **chucky2** » 20 Nov 2018, 06:28

Only seeing one article so far, looks like Israel may go with some F-15IA...

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 30,00.html

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 20 Nov 2018, 07:52

chucky2 wrote:Only seeing one article so far, looks like Israel may go with some F-15IA...

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 30,00.html

We've heard this for months and also similar remarks about the USAF doing the same. Only for the USAF Secretary to come out a couple a months ago to reject such claims as false. Clearly, stating the USAF had no interest in additional F-15's and was focused on the F-35.

Also, sorry to the Eagle Fans out there. Yet, by the numbers you can't make a case for F-15's over F-35's. As the latter is vastly more capable and even "cheaper". Honestly, only way I could see the IDF/AF acquiring more F-15's. Would be under great pressure to keep the St. Louis Line open. Yet, I've heard nothing along those lines in political circles!

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 20 Nov 2018, 07:55

SpudmanWP wrote:IIRC they are also pushing for the US to dev and upgrade current F-15s also.

In light of that I would say that upgrading all of their current F-15s is worth more than a few more F-35s, especially considering that they can always get more F-35s later.

USAF is still planning on retiring the F-15C's over the next few years. While, not sounding even to optimistic in regards to the F-15E Strike Eagles long-term. Of course just depends on continued funding for New F-35's???

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 20 Nov 2018, 07:58

'chucky2' was shy posting some excerpts from above artickle - so here are some... 'Corsair1963' NO ITALICS please?

IAF to supplement F-35 stealth jets with upgraded F-15 IA
In addition to continuing purchasing F-35 multirole stealth fighters, IAF decides to upgrade its dependable F-15 fleet with improved model capable of carrying 13 tons of explosives with advanced avionics.
19 Nov 2018 Alex Fishman

"...The F-15 IA performance, considered to be superior to the older F-15 aircraft—which has been in IAF use since 1998—is what swayed the decision....

...The IAF emphasized that the new F-15 will not completely replace the F-35 stealth fighter, but is intended to reinforce the systems currently in place to enhance the range of capabilities to an optimal position vis-à-vis its missions—from Iran to Gaza.

According to a document presented by the IDF to outgoing Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman recently, the IAF intends to complete the purchase of the third stealth squadron at a lower rate—with up to three planes a year. Once the third squadron is complete, approximately in 10 years time, the IAF will have at least 75 F-35 stealth aircraft at its disposal...."

Source: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 30,00.html

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 20 Nov 2018, 08:09

spazsinbad wrote:'chucky2' was shy posting some excerpts from above artickle - so here are some... 'Corsair1963' NO ITALICS please?
IAF to supplement F-35 stealth jets with upgraded F-15 IA
In addition to continuing purchasing F-35 multirole stealth fighters, IAF decides to upgrade its dependable F-15 fleet with improved model capable of carrying 13 tons of explosives with advanced avionics.
19 Nov 2018 Alex Fishman

"...The F-15 IA performance, considered to be superior to the older F-15 aircraft—which has been in IAF use since 1998—is what swayed the decision....

...The IAF emphasized that the new F-15 will not completely replace the F-35 stealth fighter, but is intended to reinforce the systems currently in place to enhance the range of capabilities to an optimal position vis-à-vis its missions—from Iran to Gaza.

According to a document presented by the IDF to outgoing Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman recently, the IAF intends to complete the purchase of the third stealth squadron at a lower rate—with up to three planes a year. Once the third squadron is complete, approximately in 10 years time, the IAF will have at least 75 F-35 stealth aircraft at its disposal...."

Source: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 30,00.html

Here is another one...........

QUOTE:

The document submitted to Lieberman is one of the last to be approved by the outgoing defense minister.

chucky2 · by **chucky2** » 20 Nov 2018, 17:29

Corsair1963 wrote:
chucky2 wrote:Only seeing one article so far, looks like Israel may go with some F-15IA...

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 30,00.html

We've heard this for months and also similar remarks about the USAF doing the same. Only for the USAF Secretary to come out a couple a months ago to reject such claims as false. Clearly, stating the USAF had no interest in additional F-15's and was focused on the F-35.

Also, sorry to the Eagle Fans out there. Yet, by the numbers you can't make a case for F-15's over F-35's. As the latter is vastly more capable and even "cheaper". Honestly, only way I could see the IDF/AF acquiring more F-15's. Would be under great pressure to keep the St. Louis Line open. Yet, I've heard nothing along those lines in political circles!

I wasn't making a case for anything (although the Eagle is my favorite so I'm happy to see it continually being modernized and built), just posting something I found (which is only one online source so could be wrong).

Personally I think it's a Corp welfare/jobs program just like the additional F-18's the Navy was able to order. If it was Israel's money, I wouldn't care what they picked. But since we know it's Uncle Sugar's (that Jewish influence come election time is super important for almost every politician after al), we ought to be mandating they buy F-35's with it since we're the ones funding it.

steve2267 · by **steve2267** » 20 Nov 2018, 19:30

With MQ-25 Stingray and T-X trainer work to keep St. Louis busy and Boing in the tactical aircraft game, there should be less impetus to purchase additional F-15s from Boing.

On the other hand, the Eagle is the only aircraft Israel currently possesses with the capability to carry the GBU-28. Using stealthy F-35's as a DEAD / deep strike escort for Eagles to deliver GBU-28's to points eastward is the best reason I can think of for Israel to keep the Eagle around. That and not putting all their air force eggs in one type-basket.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 21 Nov 2018, 01:33

chucky2 wrote:
I wasn't making a case for anything (although the Eagle is my favorite so I'm happy to see it continually being modernized and built), just posting something I found (which is only one online source so could be wrong).

Personally I think it's a Corp welfare/jobs program just like the additional F-18's the Navy was able to order. If it was Israel's money, I wouldn't care what they picked. But since we know it's Uncle Sugar's (that Jewish influence come election time is super important for almost every politician after al), we ought to be mandating they buy F-35's with it since we're the ones funding it.

Haven't seen one additional source for this ground breaking news.....(i.e. F-15IA for Israel) :shock:

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 21 Nov 2018, 05:48

Boeing is trying to put together a corp-to-gov sale (ie not FMS) that covers tankers, V-22s, Helos, and the F-15IA... including upgrading the existing F-15Is to the F-15IA std. Since Boeing owns all of the IP involved, the deal seems good for Israel and is quite frankly a desperation move for Boeing.

Since it's not FMS, no solid numbers, details, or timelines have come out.