Where's the best place to get F-35 / USAF CPFH numbers?

[KamenRiderBlade]

I've scoured the net and found conflicting information on CPFH for the USAF / F-35 inventory.

Is there a universally accepted or more importantly, a place to get accurate CPFH with all the juicy details?

I'vee seen ELP's and Winslow Wheeler numbers, and they are inaccurate as far as I can tell and prone to bias.

So I'm reaching out to my brethern here on where to go to get accurate USAF CPFH, cost figures, etc.

Is there a general accepted CPFH calculation, what about all the details?

[sprstdlyscottsmn]

well, you can always take the 1.2 trillion dollar 50-year lifetime cost (R&D, production [materials and wages], maintenance, training, spares, munitions, fuel, salary of all pilots and MX crew, seriously that estimate had EVERYTHING) divided over 3,000 airframes with 6,000hrs each to get a total lifetime cost of $67,000 /hr. Fuel alone? ballpark 18,000 lb burned at 6,000 lb/hr and $1/lb of JP-8 to get $6,000/hr. So we can see that CPFH can have an 11/1 spread depending on HOW it is measured.

[neurotech]

I knew we'd talked about this before.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25110

Source is here;
http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/ ... 14_f_h.pdf

[KamenRiderBlade]

I knew we'd talked about this before.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25110

Source is here;
http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/ ... 14_f_h.pdf

Thanks

[SpudmanWP]

I am posting this here because it shows up in a search for CPFH.

The 2020 RCPFH numbers have posted and I have added them to my tracking chart below. Long story short, 4th gen continues to rise (along with the F-22) and the F-35s continue to get lower.

One nice thing is that they did not "phone it in" like they seemed to have done last year where most entries just increased a little (inflation rate?).

One odd thing I found was that the F-35B/C dropped A LOT. The C is now even with the F-18E and the B is cheaper than the A. This has to be due to a unique way that the USN tracks RCPFH.

Source Link https://comptroller.defense.gov/Financi ... rates2020/

2020 RCPFH numbers

If you are wondering "what the heck is the R in RCPFH?", that means "Reimbursable". In other words, if another service, agency, nation, etc needs a US aircraft to do something, this is the hourly fee (plus weapons) that we normally charge. Here is the breakdown of CPFH into its sub-sections. RCPFH is the innermost brown square. I use this data because complete CPFH annual numbers are not available and even when publicized, are not on an apples-to-apples comparison.

CPFH Breakdown

[doge]

Great work by SpudmanWP!!
Interesting phenomenon of B/C...! What Magic did LM use?

My guess: Does it involve 3F hardware or Latest Lot?
In my opinion, the reason for the decrease in B/C's RCPFH is due to the increase in New building Latest Lot aircraft or 3F hardware modification?
The reason why I think the B/C cost has been reduced. ; Is it because there are not so many aircraft that have to modify the initial 3F hardware compared to A? Conversely, Compared to the B/C, A models had many initial hardware aircraft, and there should have been many aircraft that had to be modified to 3F hardware. ; Old model costs money

That is... a proportion or ratio, or quantity.
Number or proportion of initial Lot aircraft that need to be modify to 3F hardware. ; A is many, B/C is few. (maybe)
Others, old hardware is expensive to maintain because it's old, but new hardware is cheaper to maintain because it's new. (Probably)

Is this the power of the latest lot?
My guess.

[SpudmanWP]

If you are talking about the large drop for the F-15B/C, I think it has a lot to do with last year's numbers being the first that the USN posted. They likely overestimated the initial set and did a better & more thorough job this year.