Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

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Unread post22 Oct 2017, 21:45

True. In the long term F-35 won't have any trouble since it's the best business case available for air launched weapons.
For now it's just in an interesting position. The answers to queries still might change things and likely before 2021 there's plenty of solid commitments in this area. Swedes on the other hand :oops:
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Unread post22 Oct 2017, 22:34

cavok wrote:
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ricnunes wrote:So from all 5 contenders, the integration of the JASSM should be far easier on the F-35 and the Super Hornet compared to all other 3 remaining contenders.


The F-18 Super has virtually no avionics commonality with the Classic Hornet. In any case, UAI trumps any "similarity" as it only takes 3 months to do the UIA=based integration.


µIt is not only UAI. There are also aerodynamic tests, separation tests etc.


Um, did you miss the 3-month part?

The FY18 budget includes work to get JASSM-ER UAI certified.

Just to give you an idea of the cost & time savings of UAI vs traditional weapon integration...

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Unread post23 Oct 2017, 00:23

IIRC read somewhere recently that STORM SHADOW is not going to used with the UK F-35B - guess I have to find it now....

https://www.reddit.com/r/F35Lightning/c ... _followon/ THEN:
"...The MoD confirmed that Storm Shadow integration had been dropped for the UK’s F-35B in January 2016, instead, it will likely concentrate on the SPEAR Capability 5 in the longer term. Storm Shadow was a threshold weapon in the original Operational Requirements Document (ORD). This means the UK’s Carrier Strike capability centred on the QE Class Carriers and F-35B will have no stand-off deep strike capability against hardened targets until 2030...." http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-comple ... ile-casom/


However the RAF website lists STORM SHADOW: https://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/ BTM OF WEAPON LIST FOR F-35B
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post23 Oct 2017, 00:50

What I don't get is given that UAI is an internationally available spec (hello, "NUAI"), why is it that only the Spear3 & SOM-J are the only non-US munition so far listed as working on UAI integration?
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Unread post23 Oct 2017, 02:38

SpudmanWP wrote:What I don't get is given that UAI is an internationally available spec (hello, "NUAI"), why is it that only the Spear3 & SOM-J are the only non-US munition so far listed as working on UAI integration?

Do we have a list of a/c that support UAI?
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Unread post23 Oct 2017, 04:02

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SpudmanWP wrote:What I don't get is given that UAI is an internationally available spec (hello, "NUAI"), why is it that only the Spear3 & SOM-J are the only non-US munition so far listed as working on UAI integration?

Do we have a list of a/c that support UAI?


Besides the F-15Es and F-16s listed above:
F-35 in Blk4 (not sure which one)
Reaper, B-1B & Superhornet is in the works but no date set in the budget
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Unread post23 Oct 2017, 04:10

It would be reasonable to expect the F-35 to spur development of more UAI-compliant ordnance by foreign suppliers. Give it time.
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Unread post19 Nov 2017, 00:34

Surprising development. 10 days ago Finland to Nato's air to grounds weapons sharing (not really, more like "interchangeable"), procurement and research program. It's the only non-Nato country. The United Kingdom and Hungary joined with them. It peviously included Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Greece, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal and Spain.

As it doesn't include France, Rafale's biggest worry with regard to this competition remains. Which is the need to start from scratch with weapons & equipment.
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Unread post25 Nov 2017, 03:17

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/mod_ ... nd/9946949

MoD: At least 64 fighter jets needed to defend Finland

Finland's Ministry of Defense plans to send out invitations to tender for the purchase of 64 new fighter jets. The new jets will replace the current stock of 64 F/A-18 Hornet jets, which have served the Finnish military since 1992. The defense report, which was approved by the Parliament in February, says that the readiness of the current fleet must be fully maintained after the procurement. "We have interpreted that to mean 64 fighter jets. Because the new jets are not faster and can't stay up in the air any longer than the current ones, we will require the same number of jets to maintain the performance of our air defense", says Lauri Puranen from the Ministry. "That is the minimum number we need to defend a country of this size."

Parliament has decided that it will spend between 7 and 10 billion euros the new jets, which will make the acquisition the most purchase by Finland ever. The ministry said it will send out invitations to tender in early 2018 to Boeing and Lockheed Martin from the US, Saab from Sweden, Dessault Aviation in France and the British-European BAE Systems. The new government taking up office in 2019 will make a decision about purchasing fighter jets to replace the current stock of Hornet jets at the end of 2021. The current fleet will be retired by 2030. In August President Donald Trump caused a minor controversy when he announced during a joint press conference with President Sauli Niinistö that Finland was buying fighter jets from the US. That claim was denied by Niinistö later on Twitter.
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....@ $187.5 million dollars per a/c for 64 replacements "might" could make the $80 million dollar F-35A a consideration even with the infrastructure requirements!...and... go faster and go further!
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