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Unread post08 Nov 2019, 00:36

LIGHTNING STRIKES IN ICELAND [FOUR PAGE PDF of article attached below]
Dec 2019 Giovanni Colla

"Italy deployed F-35A Lightning IIs operationally for the first time in October to undertake the NATO air policing mission safeguarding Iceland’s airspace, and Combat Aircraft was granted exclusive access to the detachment at Keflavík.

WITH ITS REMOTE geographical location and total lack of organic air defense capabilities, Iceland relies completely on its NATO allies for air policing. A periodic presence of NATO fighter aircraft at Keflavík air base is viewed as being sufficient to maintain the integrity of its airspace. In contrast with the Baltic Air Policing (BAP) mission, which involves continuous coverage, the Icelandic government has consistently only requested an average of three annual deployments, with each lasting for three to four weeks.

In late September, the Italian Air Force (Aeronautica Militare, AM) spearheaded the third Icelandic fighter detachment of 2019 under its Task Force Air (TFA) 32nd Wing, dubbed Operation ‘Northern Lightning’. As the name alludes, this saw six F-35As from the 13° Gruppo of the 32° Stormo at Amendola heading north to patrol Iceland’s airspace....

...A team from Amendola began to work on specific requirements including scramble operations that focused on the Icelandic scenario. An advance party then flew to Iceland on September 23 to set up a force protection team, a headquarters and the necessary communications equipment. The six jets were then deployed as four aircraft on September 25 and a further pair the following day — flying direct from Italy. The entire move was supported by four KC-767A and eight C-130J missions, while a P-72A from the 41° Stormo provided search and rescue cover....

...Explaining the reasoning behind allocating F-35s to this relatively benign mission, Task Group Lightning commander Maj Giuseppe (full name withheld for security considerations) commented: ‘The added value of the F-35 is its ability to take information — even from a distance of the unidentified aircraft — and pass it in real time to the command and control chain. Therefore the aircraft allows me — even before making the VID [visual identification] — to have the necessary information, after which we can complete the intercept to check all the other data that is requested from us in flight.’...

....The climatic conditions also served as a useful test for the ability to adapt to any temperatures. Maj Giuseppe concluded: ‘The aircraft can move from the extreme heat of Arizona to the cold of this part of the world. The F-35 is ready to go in all weather conditions.’"

Photo: "The pilots ‘stepped’ to the jets fully kitted out and prepared for the cold Icelandic climate."


Source: Combat Aircraft Magazine December 2019 Volume 20 Number 12
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Unread post09 Nov 2019, 04:29

doge wrote:It's written about the takes time and effort of flight list check work.
It's written that list check of F-35 is automatic. Interesting. 8)
Because it is long, I will not quote the latter half. (Omitted part: about MADL and ALIS.)
https://www.aviation-report.com/a-decim ... -avanzato/
F-35, SPECIAL AVIATION REPORT: one day with the Hawks of the 32nd Wing
In Decimomannu with the 5th generation aircraft of the Air Force engaged in advanced training
Gianluca Conversi 20 March 2019 Aeronautica Militare
"Six F-35A aircraft and a team composed of pilots and maintenance personnel of the 32nd Air Force Wing have deployed these days at the Experimental and Standardization Unit of Air Shooting (RSSTA) of Decimomannu (Cagliari) for a cycle of about three weeks of advanced training ".
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So, regarding the HMDS, the fighterpilot podcast piece on the F22 mentioned that it does not have the HMDS because of the raised seat and the helmet being too big hitting the canopy. A trade off was made so that the F22's performance and what not were kept because the conversion to a F22 with HMDS would have reduced its capability. He did seem to mention that it does have helmet cueing and not HMDS.

Anyone see it that way?
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Unread post09 Nov 2019, 04:55

Corsair1963 wrote:Italy complains about the cost. Yet, buys 15 F-35B's for the Italian Air Force and 15 F-35B's for the Italian Navy! :doh:


This is for hidden dispersed sites. Europe has this doctrine of spreading materials for defense since the Cold War.
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Unread post11 Nov 2019, 03:26

boilermaker wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:Italy complains about the cost. Yet, buys 15 F-35B's for the Italian Air Force and 15 F-35B's for the Italian Navy! :doh:


This is for hidden dispersed sites. Europe has this doctrine of spreading materials for defense since the Cold War.




Absurd as 30 F-35B's aren't enough for both the Cavour and Trieste alone. Plus, splitting them between the Italian Air Force and Navy just drives up the cost. (my point)

As for hidden dispersed sites most air forces have such plans. Regardless, if they have STOVL Types like the F-35B or Harrier.
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Unread post11 Nov 2019, 05:01

boilermaker wrote:
So, regarding the HMDS, the fighterpilot podcast piece on the F22 mentioned that it does not have the HMDS because of the raised seat and the helmet being too big hitting the canopy. A trade off was made so that the F22's performance and what not were kept because the conversion to a F22 with HMDS would have reduced its capability. He did seem to mention that it does have helmet cueing and not HMDS.

Anyone see it that way?


Better to ask that over here...

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