Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post18 Dec 2018, 13:51

spazsinbad wrote:Aircraft recognition is not a forte of SLDinfo I guess but hey - come one.... first photo from ALAMY shows A-10 huh: https://www.alamy.com/the-royal-canadia ... 83911.html
The Royal Canadian Air Force of the Future
17 Dec 2018 Robbin Laird

PHOTO: "The featured photo shows the Royal Canadian Air Force from Canadian Forces Base Cold Lake, Alberta, parking a CF-188 Hornet in a hangar at Gowen Field to fix the landing gear on the aircraft Nov. 29, 2017 in Boise, Idaho...


Source: https://defense.info/interview-of-the-w ... he-future/



LOL :mrgreen:

On the other hand, I guess it could be worse. It could have been a Spitfire or a P-51 parked in the back which got confused with a Hornet. :wink:

Also, one of your sources (the 2nd one) has the following title:
"The Royal Canadian Air Force of the future"

Perhaps the A-10 means something (this is sarcasm of course or maybe not... :mrgreen: )
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post20 Dec 2018, 15:58

pushoksti wrote:Won't be any RCAF pilots left to fly the F35's...

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... ter-pilots

Stupid pug. Pilots aren't leaving because the F35 wasn't selected, they are leaving because Canadah can't make up their minds.



Basically that article above states the Canadian Air Force pilots are leaving the RCAF because some of these (fighter) pilots operate from Cold Lake, Alberta, LOL! :doh:

Eh, and how about those "poor souls" of the Australian Air Force (RAAF) which operate from RAAF Base Tindal which is in the middle of nowhere at a distance of around 280 km in a straight line from Darwin which is a relatively small city.
Comparatively CFB Cold Lake is around 220-230 km in a straight line from Edmonton which a big city and actually among the biggest and most important cities of Canada.
Yet, this isn't preventing many of the RCAF pilots of leaving the RCAF for the RAAF and still the reporter claims that this has nothing to do with the F-35. Humm, strange at best...
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post21 Dec 2018, 01:11

So, when is the next Canadian election?
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Unread post21 Dec 2018, 19:51

October of next year (2019).
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post04 Jan 2019, 04:06

Australia will deliver two Hornets to Canada this spring
03 Jan 2018 ALERT5

"An official from Canada’s Department of National Defence has said that Australia will transfer two F/A-18 Hornets to Canada this spring. A second group will arrive later this year."

Source: http://alert5.com/2019/01/04/australia- ... more-73233
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Unread post04 Jan 2019, 06:18

spazsinbad wrote:
Australia will deliver two Hornets to Canada this spring
03 Jan 2018 ALERT5

"An official from Canada’s Department of National Defence has said that Australia will transfer two F/A-18 Hornets to Canada this spring. A second group will arrive later this year."

Source: http://alert5.com/2019/01/04/australia- ... more-73233

Canada should team up with BAE (if they don't want Boeing) to install the HOBS feature on the Hornet asap, maybe even put on the meteor on it. It would make an old airplane with good tricks left.
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Unread post04 Jan 2019, 15:02

Deal to buy used Australian fighter jets finalized, with Canadian Forces set to be flying them by summer
03 Jan 2018 David Pugliese

"Canada has finalized a deal to buy 25 used fighter jets from Australia, the first of which are expected to be operating by this summer, says the top procurement official at the Department of National Defence. “The first two aircraft will be here this spring,” Pat Finn, assistant deputy minister for materiel at DND, told Postmedia in an interview. “I would say it could be by the summer the first couple are on the flight line and painted with the maple leaf.”

A second group of planes would arrive later this year. Eighteen of the Australian F-18 aircraft will eventually be flying for the Canadian Forces, while another seven will be used for testing and spare parts.

Canada is paying Australia $90 million for the aircraft. The federal government originally estimated the purchase of the Australian jets would cost around $500 million, but Finn said that price reflected every aspect of the associated deal, not just the cost of purchasing the jets. Canada is also acquiring extra spare parts, the Australian jets will have to be outfitted with specific Canadian equipment and software and testing will be needed.

The $500-million project estimate also included $50 million in contingency funds to cover any problems and another$35 million for the salaries of all civilian and military personnel involved over the life of the project. An additional$30 million will be spent on new infrastructure needed to accommodate the aircraft.

Those costs add up to $360 million, Finn said. But DND also plans to upgrade its existing fleet of CF-18s with new communications gear and equipment required to meet regulations to operate in civilian airspace, improvements which the Australian jets will also eventually receive at a cost of around $110 million, an amount that brought the original estimate to nearly $500 million...."

Source: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/de ... -by-summer
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Unread post04 Jan 2019, 15:58

And if that isn't enough to make one cry into the morning Irish coffee what picture does the brilliant "National" paper
post at the top of the article??
SUPER Hornets - Honestly between the politicians and the so called journalists i wonder if their IQ is greater than their shoe size

Actually this particular piece isn't all that bad (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canada ... a-military) Pretty much sums up the crap DND has to deal with
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Unread post04 Jan 2019, 15:59

ricnunes wrote:October of next year (2019).


NOT soon enough!!!
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Unread post04 Jan 2019, 19:03

spazsinbad wrote:The $500-million project estimate also included $50 million in contingency funds to cover any problems and another$35 million for the salaries of all civilian and military personnel involved over the life of the project.

Source: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/de ... -by-summer
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Why the hell are they factoring military personnel salaries into the deal? We are already getting paid out of the main defence budget.
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Unread post04 Jan 2019, 19:19

ChippyHo wrote:
ricnunes wrote:October of next year (2019).


NOT soon enough!!!



Indeed.
Lets just hope that this is one of those "Better Late than Never" cases.
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Unread post04 Jan 2019, 20:10

pushoksti wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:The $500-million project estimate also included $50 million in contingency funds to cover any problems and another$35 million for the salaries of all civilian and military personnel involved over the life of the project.

Source: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/de ... -by-summer


Why the hell are they factoring military personnel salaries into the deal? We are already getting paid out of the main defence budget.[/quote]

Life cycle TOTAL cost
Not sure if it makes it easier or harder to track a weapon acquisition cost.
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Unread post05 Jan 2019, 14:36

Rather than the meteor, why not go full retro with the AIM-7D and AIM-9B? :mrgreen:
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Unread post05 Jan 2019, 14:51

mixelflick wrote:Rather than the meteor, why not go full retro with the AIM-7D and AIM-9B? :mrgreen:


If the objective is going full retro why not go with the AIR-2 Genie - That would certainly give a "big bang for the buck", literally speaking :mrgreen:

And I'm sure that RCAF could find and eventually bring back someone from retirement which had some experience with the Genie.
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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