Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 22 Feb 2018, 20:41

"...None of the potential contenders is obliged to put forward their jets in the competition...."

What a weird sentence. I guess the reporter means that the then following list of manufacturers with named aircraft does not mean for example that BOING! will offer the Super Hornet. Oh Dear I Fear for language of the English speakin' world.

geforcerfx · by **geforcerfx** » 22 Feb 2018, 21:08

steve2267 wrote:
You might not be far off with this idea. Hasn't the USAF floated plans for reducing it's Eagle fleet? What if Boeing were to offer to buy F-15C's from the USAF, refurbish/SLEP them to near-zero time, add FAST conformal fuel tanks, update to the AESA radar the USAF likes in the Eagle along with other avionics upgrades. Maybe even toss in some number of those MADL/IFDL<->Link16 pods. If that could be done for a considerably less amount of Canadian dollars than F-35s... Boing might catch the Canaduhian's attention.

The USAF might like it because they could get $$ for aircraft they would otherwise scrap or park down at Davis Mothan AFB. Money they could use for F-35 procurement, or other things. I'm sure they have a long list of needs / wants.

While the benefits for the USAF are good, money in pocket, and Boeing now has a SLEP capability for the eagle the USAF needs to keep them into the 2030-40 time frame. Idk if the F-15's CPFH are within the Canadian's limits, Eagles seem to be Mid $30k-40k CPFH jets, the F-35 is a mid $20k-30K jet and the current hornets are a 30K jet with there age.

ricnunes · by **ricnunes** » 22 Feb 2018, 21:29

hornetfinn wrote:Canadian Black project...

A Super Hornet painted in Black :mrgreen:

alloycowboy · by **alloycowboy** » 23 Feb 2018, 02:00

Boeing rejoins competitive field for Canadian fighter deal

The Canadian government has announced that five bidders — Boeing, Dassault, Eurofighter, Lockheed Martin and Saab — are eligible to compete for a long sought-after contract to replace the country’s 88 CF-18 fighters.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... te-446146/

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 23 Feb 2018, 03:24

Msg from above URL: Oops! This article can only be accessed by Flight Dashboard subscribers

alloycowboy · by **alloycowboy** » 23 Feb 2018, 06:55

That's funny Spaz because I am not a dash board subscriber. Maybe you just have to adjust your kagaroo ears to get better reception.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 23 Feb 2018, 06:58

uuooh - magic Big Ears. I can see it now.

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 23 Feb 2018, 13:34

So Boeing is back in. Wow. Just when you thought the rabbit hole couldn't go any deeper.

I hope they do get F-15's. That way they'll wind up with a capable aircraft for their air defense mission, we'll make a little money and we can cede the air superiority mission to them the next time we build a "coalition", LOL...

go4long · by **go4long** » 24 Feb 2018, 01:29

alloycowboy wrote:Boeing rejoins competitive field for Canadian fighter deal

The Canadian government has announced that five bidders — Boeing, Dassault, Eurofighter, Lockheed Martin and Saab — are eligible to compete for a long sought-after contract to replace the country’s 88 CF-18 fighters.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... te-446146/

I think the funny part of that quote is the "long sought-after" part...no flightglobal, it hasn't been long sought after. It's been long drawn out by our incompetent government.

citanon · by **citanon** » 24 Feb 2018, 05:30

Your government has just been too busy doing other important work.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kzg ... n-his-face

element1loop · by **element1loop** » 24 Feb 2018, 05:51

Perhaps CAF should just go out on strike to demand govt stay out of all airpower decision making, and demand only serving air power officers be involved in AC type and numbers, and delivery window timing decisions, and Justin and media 'others' shut their pie holes, and get ready to stump up the cash. Pretty sure that would work.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 25 Feb 2018, 16:33

COMPUTER SAYS - NO! :doh:

Australia now seeking approval from U.S. to sell Canada used jets
23 Feb 2018 David Pugliese

"Canada’s purchase of used Australian fighter jets is winding its way through the official process. Pat Finn, the Department of National Defence’s assistant deputy minister of materiel, says the Canadian government has received what’s called a letter of cost proposal on the proposed sale of 18 used F-18s by Australia. “The Australians have now gone to the U.S. State Department for the transfer under ITAR,” Finn explained to MPs on the Commons defence committee earlier this month. “That is under way.”

Approval is needed because the F-18s were built in the U.S. [only first few - most built in Oz with parts mostly from US] with American technology. Finn indicated the DND wants to have the deal in place by the end of this year. “The idea of firming this up in the fall of 2018 was for the start of delivery of the two first aircraft to be next summer, and then quickly beyond it,” he added.

The Liberal government originally planned for the arrival of the first used aircraft in January 2019. The Canadian government has not released the actual cost of the used aircraft. It has set aside $500 million for the planes, weapons, parts and other related equipment."

Source: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/ ... -used-jets

white_lightning35 · by **white_lightning35** » 25 Feb 2018, 18:48

This one Turdeau character has set back the RCAF who knows how long just to pander for some votes. It makes me mad and I'm not even Canadian. There are probably a bunch of people in the RCAF who realize what contributions it has made in the past and are looking in horror as these current events unfold.

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 25 Feb 2018, 20:51

Ultimately all military hardware is subject to the vagaries of the combined intellect of elected politicians and Trudeau is a real hippy child of the 60-70s with all the often non practical idealism they espoused. As along as Canada is not involved in a serious conflict in the next 10 years they should be able to get away with this neglect. On the plus side if F-35 is eventually chosen 33% more will be bought than originally planned at a higher specification block.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 26 Feb 2018, 13:18

Mixed Messages on whatever BOING! is offering now but I guess - who cares - wins?

Boeing ‘Eligible Supplier’ In Canadian Fighter Contest
23 Feb 2018 Tony Osborne

"LONDON—Boeing has been selected as one of the potential suppliers for Canada’s future fighter aircraft...

...Boeing will once again offer the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet through the U.S. Foreign Military Sales system. The Lockheed Martin F-35A will also be offered by the U.S. government through the same process. Meanwhile, France will offer the Dassault Rafale, and Sweden the Saab JAS-39E/F Gripen. The UK will act as the bid government on behalf of the four-nation Eurofighter Typhoon....

...On its website, the Public Works and Government Services agency says it can add additional suppliers to the list as it sees fit [MUST BE THE BELGIQUE INFLUENCE] and can remove them if it believes there are issues that “may be injurious to Canada’s national security.”

The bids will be assessed on cost, technical requirements and economic benefits, with bidders expected to make investments in Canada equal to the contract’s value." [Tell 'em they're dreamin']

Source: http://aviationweek.com/defense/boeing- ... er-contest