Singapore F-35 selection
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jessmo112 wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/training-sim/2020/07/22/singapore-requests-new-f-35-training-location-also-host-its-f-16-jets/
Based on negotiations with our foreign military sales customers as well as airspace and weather considerations, the Air Force is considering five candidate locations. Those include Buckley AFB, Colorado; Fort Smith Airport, Arkansas; Hulman Field, Indiana; Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland, Texas; and Selfridge Air National Guard Base, Michigan,” she added
It seems like Democrats want it both ways. They want to cut the defense budget. But they love to have jets based in there district. I know this are Singapore's planes but Im curious about the economic impact that fighter squadrons have.
Hulman is a weird choice since they lost their F-16s (which terrorized the I-70 corridor) years ago.
Also, subjecting Asians to Terre Haute probably constitutes a hate crime.
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Marauder, you hit it on the nail. Current & Ex-F-16 bases. 149 used to operate F-16s out of Lackland. 188 out of ebbing. 181 out of Hulman. 127 out of Selfridge. Only 140 still operates F-16s from Buckley. That's probably a pre-req.
Normally I would think Tucson but clearly the USAF wants to keep the F-35s from the existing F-16 users who won't be getting F-35s. Singapore is going to shift 428 FS (F-16s) out of luke so it makes sense to be an F-16 (or former) base. At the same time its going to receive F-35s so there's going to be some infrastructure build needed.
Singapore airlines has a flight to houston, not far from San Antonio...but I think they (like the Taiwanese) would prefer a pacific coast base for ease of redeployment.
Normally I would think Tucson but clearly the USAF wants to keep the F-35s from the existing F-16 users who won't be getting F-35s. Singapore is going to shift 428 FS (F-16s) out of luke so it makes sense to be an F-16 (or former) base. At the same time its going to receive F-35s so there's going to be some infrastructure build needed.
Singapore airlines has a flight to houston, not far from San Antonio...but I think they (like the Taiwanese) would prefer a pacific coast base for ease of redeployment.
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Really? What you do have against Terre Haute? I think it would make perfect sense. After all the lift fans for the B models are made up the road in Indy. Would make sense to have some located within an hour from the engineers. Plus you have Atterbury and Jpg for ranges, red hills MOA and 2 runways that you would more or less control.
Also San Antino Gaurd still flys 16's. They run B course school and have big mouth 30's.
Also San Antino Gaurd still flys 16's. They run B course school and have big mouth 30's.
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Don't think Indiana is that different from Idaho, Arkansas etc.
Noted on 149 still operating F-16s. Thanks. Noted also San Antonio's cooperation with navy (NAS Kingsville) on the use of McMullen complex ranges and how NAS Kingsville is a key training center for navy aviators before USMC pilots transition to B training.
Noted on 149 still operating F-16s. Thanks. Noted also San Antonio's cooperation with navy (NAS Kingsville) on the use of McMullen complex ranges and how NAS Kingsville is a key training center for navy aviators before USMC pilots transition to B training.
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Nahh.... the Singaporean jet jockeys want something different... they want to ski... send 'em to Denver.
USMC already uses Buckley as a stopover for East-West flights across CONUS. I see Viper fourships heading south nearly every day... Great medium sized cosmopolitan area with world class skiing an hour and a half west, with a great international airport for getting in/out.
Really... I just want Killer Bees (or any LIghtnings) in the neighborhood...
USMC already uses Buckley as a stopover for East-West flights across CONUS. I see Viper fourships heading south nearly every day... Great medium sized cosmopolitan area with world class skiing an hour and a half west, with a great international airport for getting in/out.
Really... I just want Killer Bees (or any LIghtnings) in the neighborhood...
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Although the mile high city is a tad cold for the tropical ones perhaps HAWAII is more suitable? Closer to Singapore ALSO?
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spazsinbad wrote:Although the mile high city is a tad cold for the tropical ones perhaps HAWAII is more suitable? Closer to Singapore ALSO?
It depends...
Average Denver daytime high temperature during winter is 49°F. When it snows in Denver, it generally melts off within a few days. May have a week or two cold "snap" in January or February. It is not uncommon for the diehard golfers to be whacking away in February. But world class skiing is still 1 1/2 to 2 hours west. The Singy jet jockeys will just need to get a travel pod to fit their skiis in the bees. But Shirely the weps bays are long enough for skiis...
Summer time temps range from 80's to 90's with occasionally over 100°F. But it's a dry heat.
They really really really want to ski. I can tell. No skiing in Hawaii (at least commercial resorts) last I checked.
C'mon, help me out Spaz... I need Bees in Colorado...
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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I have arrived in Denver late November in my Hawaiian stopover gear with luggage nowhere to be found. Running from BOQ to classrooms in thick snow drifts from recent snow storm with some cleared paths & roads closed was FUN FUN FUN.
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Singapore seeks adversarial training for local and US-based fighter pilots
MELBOURNE, Australia — One of the companies recently hired by the U.S. Air Force to support an adversarial role during training was also approached by Singapore to perform the same role its Idaho-based fighter training detachment, an industry source told Defense News.
The Asian country is also inaugurating a unit under one of its locally based fighter squadrons to perform an adversarial training function.
The industry source said Singapore requested that the program manager overseeing its Peace Carvin V training detachment in the United States approve the training support from Draken International. Funding was allocated for two training events that were scheduled for the spring and summer of this year.
“To date, the ADAIR II contract has not supported the 428 FS Republic of Singapore Air Force squadron. The ADAIR II contract was originally scheduled to support the 428 FS in April, but that support was cancelled due to COVID,” a U.S. Air Force spokesperson told Defense News, using an acronym for Adversary Air II, the service’s contract inked in 2018.
Had the events taken place, Draken International would have used its Aero Vodochody L-159E Honey Badger jets to support the Singapore detachment at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho.
The industry source said the Republic of Singapore Air Force wanted its forces to face off against an aircraft with an onboard radar that could present a beyond-visual-range missile threat, and is equipped with a radar warning suite to allow it to react to a radar “threat.” However, a jet able to reach supersonic speeds was not required.
Four L-159E jets would have supported the detachment for two weeks on each occasion, the source added.
Draken’s L-159Es are equipped with the Italian Leonardo Grifo-L all-weather radar. It is understood Singapore has held talks with Draken about hiring the company since at least mid-2019.
The Peace Carvin V detachment is a joint U.S. Air Force-Republic of Singapore Air Force unit that provides training to Singaporean personnel assigned to 428th Fighter Squadron on Boeing F-15SG Eagle multi-role fighters. The squadron falls under the 366th Fighter Wing, the resident flying unit at Mountain Home AFB.
Draken is one of seven companies awarded adversarial training contracts by the U.S. Air Force in late 2019 under a five-year, $6.4 billion contract. The company will support training at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina and Kelly Field in Texas, in addition to ongoing work with the armed service at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.
Domestic training
The land scarce island nation of Singapore is primarily made up of one main island of less than 280 square miles in area. The country maintains several other permanent aircraft detachments overseas for training, including a Lockheed Martin F-16C/D Block 52 Fighting Falcon training detachment at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.
The news of Draken potentially supporting the F-15SG detachment comes as the Republic of Singapore Air Force plans its own adversarial training activities at home. The Air Force has inaugurated an “aggressor” component that will reside within 140 Squadron. The unit is one of three locally based F-16 units and will use F-16s and F-15SGs in the training.
However, it appears the squadron will continue to fly F-16s from its base at Tengah in western Singapore, with the F-15SGs continuing to operate from nearby Paya Lebar in northeast Singapore, even when conducting adversarial training.
The training will take place on a part-time basis, with the involved squadron and personnel retaining their primary operational duties. It is unclear if the internal adversarial team will serve in a long-term role, or instead is a precursor to the Air Force eventually using contracted adversarial services.
“The RSAF task organizes its units to meet operational requirements, and conducts robust day-to-day training and exercises to maintain operational readiness,” Singapore’s Ministry of Defense told Defense News in a statement. “To facilitate meaningful training, some units may be designated as the opponent, termed as ‘aggressors.’ Such two-sided training allows teams to pit their skills against each other, and is a common practice amongst many air forces around the world.”
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MELBOURNE, Australia — One of the companies recently hired by the U.S. Air Force to support an adversarial role during training was also approached by Singapore to perform the same role its Idaho-based fighter training detachment, an industry source told Defense News.
The Asian country is also inaugurating a unit under one of its locally based fighter squadrons to perform an adversarial training function.
The industry source said Singapore requested that the program manager overseeing its Peace Carvin V training detachment in the United States approve the training support from Draken International. Funding was allocated for two training events that were scheduled for the spring and summer of this year.
“To date, the ADAIR II contract has not supported the 428 FS Republic of Singapore Air Force squadron. The ADAIR II contract was originally scheduled to support the 428 FS in April, but that support was cancelled due to COVID,” a U.S. Air Force spokesperson told Defense News, using an acronym for Adversary Air II, the service’s contract inked in 2018.
Had the events taken place, Draken International would have used its Aero Vodochody L-159E Honey Badger jets to support the Singapore detachment at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho.
The industry source said the Republic of Singapore Air Force wanted its forces to face off against an aircraft with an onboard radar that could present a beyond-visual-range missile threat, and is equipped with a radar warning suite to allow it to react to a radar “threat.” However, a jet able to reach supersonic speeds was not required.
Four L-159E jets would have supported the detachment for two weeks on each occasion, the source added.
Draken’s L-159Es are equipped with the Italian Leonardo Grifo-L all-weather radar. It is understood Singapore has held talks with Draken about hiring the company since at least mid-2019.
The Peace Carvin V detachment is a joint U.S. Air Force-Republic of Singapore Air Force unit that provides training to Singaporean personnel assigned to 428th Fighter Squadron on Boeing F-15SG Eagle multi-role fighters. The squadron falls under the 366th Fighter Wing, the resident flying unit at Mountain Home AFB.
Draken is one of seven companies awarded adversarial training contracts by the U.S. Air Force in late 2019 under a five-year, $6.4 billion contract. The company will support training at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina and Kelly Field in Texas, in addition to ongoing work with the armed service at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.
Domestic training
The land scarce island nation of Singapore is primarily made up of one main island of less than 280 square miles in area. The country maintains several other permanent aircraft detachments overseas for training, including a Lockheed Martin F-16C/D Block 52 Fighting Falcon training detachment at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.
The news of Draken potentially supporting the F-15SG detachment comes as the Republic of Singapore Air Force plans its own adversarial training activities at home. The Air Force has inaugurated an “aggressor” component that will reside within 140 Squadron. The unit is one of three locally based F-16 units and will use F-16s and F-15SGs in the training.
However, it appears the squadron will continue to fly F-16s from its base at Tengah in western Singapore, with the F-15SGs continuing to operate from nearby Paya Lebar in northeast Singapore, even when conducting adversarial training.
The training will take place on a part-time basis, with the involved squadron and personnel retaining their primary operational duties. It is unclear if the internal adversarial team will serve in a long-term role, or instead is a precursor to the Air Force eventually using contracted adversarial services.
“The RSAF task organizes its units to meet operational requirements, and conducts robust day-to-day training and exercises to maintain operational readiness,” Singapore’s Ministry of Defense told Defense News in a statement. “To facilitate meaningful training, some units may be designated as the opponent, termed as ‘aggressors.’ Such two-sided training allows teams to pit their skills against each other, and is a common practice amongst many air forces around the world.”
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Another reason I think MacDill AFB would be ideal to base Singapore F-16's and F-35's at in the future. As Draken is very close by...plus numerous training ranges.
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Will Fort Smith's 188th Wing make the cut for the fighter jets? A visit from Singaporean delegates offers a clue
18 Mar 2021 Max Bryan
"Fort Smith's odds for housing a fleet of fighter jets have increased and Singaporean delegates were in town Tuesday to prove it. The Singapore flag waved across Fort Smith on Tuesday as a delegation from the Southeast Asian country toured the city and Ebbing Air National Guard base as part of a high-stakes decision to place a multi-national training site for F-16s and F-35 fighter jets in one of three U.S. airbases.
The competition for the mission comes with an estimated $800 million – $1 billion economic impact and has been narrowed down from five to three airbases since the program was announced in July 2020....
...Singapore's F-16s and more than two dozen F-35 long-term Foreign Military Sales aircraft would be housed for a security initiative in Pacific Indochina. They would be from a multi-national contingent including Singapore, Poland and Switzerland[?]. The basing would be a change for Singapore's F-16 squadron, which is currently housed at Luke Air Force Base in Maricopa County, Arizona. The fleet is in need of a new location because the airbase has looked to increase its number of F-35s...."
Source: https://www.swtimes.com/story/news/loca ... 549763001/
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Fort Smith, Arkansas has been selected for the Singapore training location. Selfridge as alternate.
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“MINDEF would like to express appreciation to the leaders and communities of the two basing locations for their strong support for the RSAF’s presence in (the continental United States),” the ministry said.
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ASLO go: Ebbing ANGB selected to host F-35 training center for FMS participants, RSAF F-16 training
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Michigan senators demand answers as Selfridge loses bid for F-35 training center
Riley Beggin
Melissa Nann Burke
The Detroit News
The U.S. Air Force has selected a site in Arkansas over Selfridge Air National Guard Base in Harrison Township and three other candidates for its planned international F-35 training center.
Fort Smith Regional Airport tentatively has been chosen to house up to 36 F-35s at the base while the service trains international student pilots and support personnel from Singapore, Poland, Finland and Switzerland. Those nations would be purchasing the aircraft from the U.S. military.
The decision set off a storm of criticism Thursday from Michigan's two U.S. senators and a key local official. The Air Force said it expects to make a final decision in spring 2023, adding that Selfridge is the backup site if an environmental impact analysis finds the Arkansas site is unsuitable.
“We are fully committed to the F-35 as the cornerstone of the U.S. Air Force’s fighter fleet and look forward to building stronger relationships with nations who want to work by our side," Acting Air Force Secretary John Roth said in a statement.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... iEfBX4WQNQ
Riley Beggin
Melissa Nann Burke
The Detroit News
The U.S. Air Force has selected a site in Arkansas over Selfridge Air National Guard Base in Harrison Township and three other candidates for its planned international F-35 training center.
Fort Smith Regional Airport tentatively has been chosen to house up to 36 F-35s at the base while the service trains international student pilots and support personnel from Singapore, Poland, Finland and Switzerland. Those nations would be purchasing the aircraft from the U.S. military.
The decision set off a storm of criticism Thursday from Michigan's two U.S. senators and a key local official. The Air Force said it expects to make a final decision in spring 2023, adding that Selfridge is the backup site if an environmental impact analysis finds the Arkansas site is unsuitable.
“We are fully committed to the F-35 as the cornerstone of the U.S. Air Force’s fighter fleet and look forward to building stronger relationships with nations who want to work by our side," Acting Air Force Secretary John Roth said in a statement.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... iEfBX4WQNQ
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Honestly, the odds never favored Selfridge AFB (Michigan) to win the F-35 Training Center.
Yet, I wouldn't be surprised that they do get a single squadron to replace their A-10's with the 107th Fighter Squadron.
As a matter of fact that is likely what this up roar is all about. To make sure they win the next around of new F-35 Squadrons at very least....
Let not forget Michigan is a very Blue State. Which, Biden and the Democrats need for 2022 and 2024!
Yet, I wouldn't be surprised that they do get a single squadron to replace their A-10's with the 107th Fighter Squadron.
As a matter of fact that is likely what this up roar is all about. To make sure they win the next around of new F-35 Squadrons at very least....
Let not forget Michigan is a very Blue State. Which, Biden and the Democrats need for 2022 and 2024!
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