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Unread post24 Jul 2020, 01:58

jessmo112 wrote:https://www.defensenews.com/training-sim/2020/07/22/singapore-requests-new-f-35-training-location-also-host-its-f-16-jets/

Based on negotiations with our foreign military sales customers as well as airspace and weather considerations, the Air Force is considering five candidate locations. Those include Buckley AFB, Colorado; Fort Smith Airport, Arkansas; Hulman Field, Indiana; Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland, Texas; and Selfridge Air National Guard Base, Michigan,” she added

It seems like Democrats want it both ways. They want to cut the defense budget. But they love to have jets based in there district. I know this are Singapore's planes but Im curious about the economic impact that fighter squadrons have.


Hulman is a weird choice since they lost their F-16s (which terrorized the I-70 corridor) years ago.

Also, subjecting Asians to Terre Haute probably constitutes a hate crime.
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Unread post24 Jul 2020, 02:21

Marauder, you hit it on the nail. Current & Ex-F-16 bases. 149 used to operate F-16s out of Lackland. 188 out of ebbing. 181 out of Hulman. 127 out of Selfridge. Only 140 still operates F-16s from Buckley. That's probably a pre-req.

Normally I would think Tucson but clearly the USAF wants to keep the F-35s from the existing F-16 users who won't be getting F-35s. Singapore is going to shift 428 FS (F-16s) out of luke so it makes sense to be an F-16 (or former) base. At the same time its going to receive F-35s so there's going to be some infrastructure build needed.

Singapore airlines has a flight to houston, not far from San Antonio...but I think they (like the Taiwanese) would prefer a pacific coast base for ease of redeployment.
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Unread post25 Jul 2020, 21:15

Really? What you do have against Terre Haute? I think it would make perfect sense. After all the lift fans for the B models are made up the road in Indy. Would make sense to have some located within an hour from the engineers. Plus you have Atterbury and Jpg for ranges, red hills MOA and 2 runways that you would more or less control.

Also San Antino Gaurd still flys 16's. They run B course school and have big mouth 30's.
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Unread post26 Jul 2020, 03:39

Don't think Indiana is that different from Idaho, Arkansas etc.

Noted on 149 still operating F-16s. Thanks. Noted also San Antonio's cooperation with navy (NAS Kingsville) on the use of McMullen complex ranges and how NAS Kingsville is a key training center for navy aviators before USMC pilots transition to B training.
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Unread post26 Jul 2020, 15:11

Nahh.... the Singaporean jet jockeys want something different... they want to ski... send 'em to Denver.

USMC already uses Buckley as a stopover for East-West flights across CONUS. I see Viper fourships heading south nearly every day... Great medium sized cosmopolitan area with world class skiing an hour and a half west, with a great international airport for getting in/out. :drool:


Really... I just want Killer Bees (or any LIghtnings) in the neighborhood...
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post26 Jul 2020, 15:43

Although the mile high city is a tad cold for the tropical ones perhaps HAWAII is more suitable? Closer to Singapore ALSO?
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Unread post26 Jul 2020, 16:27

spazsinbad wrote:Although the mile high city is a tad cold for the tropical ones perhaps HAWAII is more suitable? Closer to Singapore ALSO?


It depends...

Average Denver daytime high temperature during winter is 49°F. When it snows in Denver, it generally melts off within a few days. May have a week or two cold "snap" in January or February. It is not uncommon for the diehard golfers to be whacking away in February. But world class skiing is still 1 1/2 to 2 hours west. The Singy jet jockeys will just need to get a travel pod to fit their skiis in the bees. But Shirely the weps bays are long enough for skiis...

Summer time temps range from 80's to 90's with occasionally over 100°F. But it's a dry heat. :roll:

They really really really want to ski. I can tell. No skiing in Hawaii (at least commercial resorts) last I checked.

C'mon, help me out Spaz... I need Bees in Colorado... :doh:
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Unread post26 Jul 2020, 22:28

I have arrived in Denver late November in my Hawaiian stopover gear with luggage nowhere to be found. Running from BOQ to classrooms in thick snow drifts from recent snow storm with some cleared paths & roads closed was FUN FUN FUN.
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Unread post07 Sep 2020, 05:30

Singapore seeks adversarial training for local and US-based fighter pilots



MELBOURNE, Australia — One of the companies recently hired by the U.S. Air Force to support an adversarial role during training was also approached by Singapore to perform the same role its Idaho-based fighter training detachment, an industry source told Defense News.


The Asian country is also inaugurating a unit under one of its locally based fighter squadrons to perform an adversarial training function.


The industry source said Singapore requested that the program manager overseeing its Peace Carvin V training detachment in the United States approve the training support from Draken International. Funding was allocated for two training events that were scheduled for the spring and summer of this year.


“To date, the ADAIR II contract has not supported the 428 FS Republic of Singapore Air Force squadron. The ADAIR II contract was originally scheduled to support the 428 FS in April, but that support was cancelled due to COVID,” a U.S. Air Force spokesperson told Defense News, using an acronym for Adversary Air II, the service’s contract inked in 2018.



Had the events taken place, Draken International would have used its Aero Vodochody L-159E Honey Badger jets to support the Singapore detachment at Mountain Home Air Force Base, Idaho.


The industry source said the Republic of Singapore Air Force wanted its forces to face off against an aircraft with an onboard radar that could present a beyond-visual-range missile threat, and is equipped with a radar warning suite to allow it to react to a radar “threat.” However, a jet able to reach supersonic speeds was not required.


Four L-159E jets would have supported the detachment for two weeks on each occasion, the source added.



Draken’s L-159Es are equipped with the Italian Leonardo Grifo-L all-weather radar. It is understood Singapore has held talks with Draken about hiring the company since at least mid-2019.


The Peace Carvin V detachment is a joint U.S. Air Force-Republic of Singapore Air Force unit that provides training to Singaporean personnel assigned to 428th Fighter Squadron on Boeing F-15SG Eagle multi-role fighters. The squadron falls under the 366th Fighter Wing, the resident flying unit at Mountain Home AFB.


Draken is one of seven companies awarded adversarial training contracts by the U.S. Air Force in late 2019 under a five-year, $6.4 billion contract. The company will support training at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina and Kelly Field in Texas, in addition to ongoing work with the armed service at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.


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The land scarce island nation of Singapore is primarily made up of one main island of less than 280 square miles in area. The country maintains several other permanent aircraft detachments overseas for training, including a Lockheed Martin F-16C/D Block 52 Fighting Falcon training detachment at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.


The news of Draken potentially supporting the F-15SG detachment comes as the Republic of Singapore Air Force plans its own adversarial training activities at home. The Air Force has inaugurated an “aggressor” component that will reside within 140 Squadron. The unit is one of three locally based F-16 units and will use F-16s and F-15SGs in the training.


However, it appears the squadron will continue to fly F-16s from its base at Tengah in western Singapore, with the F-15SGs continuing to operate from nearby Paya Lebar in northeast Singapore, even when conducting adversarial training.

The training will take place on a part-time basis, with the involved squadron and personnel retaining their primary operational duties. It is unclear if the internal adversarial team will serve in a long-term role, or instead is a precursor to the Air Force eventually using contracted adversarial services.

“The RSAF task organizes its units to meet operational requirements, and conducts robust day-to-day training and exercises to maintain operational readiness,” Singapore’s Ministry of Defense told Defense News in a statement. “To facilitate meaningful training, some units may be designated as the opponent, termed as ‘aggressors.’ Such two-sided training allows teams to pit their skills against each other, and is a common practice amongst many air forces around the world.”

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Unread post07 Sep 2020, 05:33

Another reason I think MacDill AFB would be ideal to base Singapore F-16's and F-35's at in the future. As Draken is very close by...plus numerous training ranges.
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