Korea threatens to disqualify F-35

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Unread post23 Jun 2013, 17:43

Lieven wrote:
lookieloo wrote:
slowman5 wrote:I can now report back with a confidence that the F-35 will not win the Korean contest.
Wow, he's been banned 4 times already?

Actually 5 times now.


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Unread post23 Jun 2013, 18:09

Conan wrote:
I strongly suspect young Slowman hasn't the faintest idea of what is happening in the South Korean competition. How many times has he said in this very forum that the F-35 has already lost, been excluded from the competition and so on, only for everyone else to learn from CREDIBLE sources within days, that everything he said was completely incorrect?

Hell, he even gets owned on Ares Blog now. Corrected by his own countrymen no less on his own beloved program particulars...

Watching him fumble around pretending he has a clue is hilarious.


He has always made the story up in his mind and then taken random "facts" to try and make correlation equal causation. I don't know if he has a wild imaganiation, is a total troll, or is just plain stupid. maybe a little bit of everything.

My favorite slowman story was on another forum, when talking about Korea's future indigenous fighter, he said that Korea needed to build its own fighters because F-16s needed to return all the way back to the united states for repair, and it took one year for them to get back to korea. Shocking by itself really, but even more so when you realize that Korean F-16s are made in Korea! :lol:

He gets banned nearly everywhere he goes. and never provides sources its always a "take my word for it, because me" which might work if he was ever right about anything.

LM ups the ante:

http://rokdrop.com/2013/06/18/lockheed- ... -f-35-jet/

T-50s are also in the mix but I don't have any details...
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Unread post23 Jun 2013, 18:48

Lieven wrote:
lookieloo wrote:
slowman5 wrote:I can now report back with a confidence that the F-35 will not win the Korean contest.
Wow, he's been banned 4 times already?

Actually 5 times now.


Does it enevitably have to lead to six?

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Unread post24 Jun 2013, 09:17

Lieven wrote:
lookieloo wrote:
slowman5 wrote:I can now report back with a confidence that the F-35 will not win the Korean contest.
Wow, he's been banned 4 times already?
Actually 5 times now.
For all the good it'll do. The guy is simply everywhere with his simplistic "nuh-uh' arguments and blatant fabrications. If you tell a lie/obfuscation big enough, and disseminate it widely enough, it will eventually get enough traction to gain reputability and widespread acceptance. (See omnipresent citations of Sweetman/ELP's blog/APA/POGO-the-clown. Similar mindset to 9/11 truthers.)
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Unread post24 Jun 2013, 15:14

neurotech wrote:
@Conan: I know its only the mid-band ALQ-99 components, but that is important to combat effectiveness. Basically nobody is going to get a full EA-18G/ALQ-99 suite without going to USN Inventory, that was my point.


No dramas. Wasn't aware you knew that RAAF were getting some brand new ALQ-99's to go with the no longer in production mid-band pods. Most don't and assume that every ALQ-99 pod is the same...

Out of interest, RAAF's acquisition of HARM and AARGM for Growler was announced today...
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Unread post24 Jun 2013, 19:03

Conan wrote:
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@Conan: I know its only the mid-band ALQ-99 components, but that is important to combat effectiveness. Basically nobody is going to get a full EA-18G/ALQ-99 suite without going to USN Inventory, that was my point.


No dramas. Wasn't aware you knew that RAAF were getting some brand new ALQ-99's to go with the no longer in production mid-band pods. Most don't and assume that every ALQ-99 pod is the same...

Out of interest, RAAF's acquisition of HARM and AARGM for Growler was announced today...

Anything involving EW/EA/ELINT is nuanced and details are hard to come by.

I still get some tidbits regarding the program, but no longer involved. There has been talk that a few countries (Brazil, ROK, Japan, and Australia) being interested in escort jamming capability, but the NGJ isn't available, and a NGJ-Lite hasn't been given the green light by NAVAIR. As the Australians have found out, converting a F/A-18F to a EA-18G is more than wiring, but the USN Block II jets aren't wired for Growler-Lite configuration either. Some of the F/A-18F Block I LRIP jets had some of Growler wiring, and a few are back with Boeing for further test programs.

It's well known that F-16s and F/A-18s have self-protection jammers. AN/ALQ-214 is one such system on newer jets, combined with the AN/ALE-55 towed decoy, might have been enough to save Capt. O'Grady from being shot down from a surprise missile. The claim that RoKAF would have to buy 1 to 3 ratio EA jets, is insane. In the US Navy, its usually a 2-4, sometimes 6 EA-18G on detachment only with a carrier.
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Unread post24 Jun 2013, 21:20

'Conan' said above: "...Out of interest, RAAF's acquisition of HARM and AARGM for Growler was announced today..." And here is an earlier story about RAAF training for same:

Royal Australian Air Force purchases Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile Training Capability 18 Jun 2013
"NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. – The U.S. Navy signed an agreement with the Australian Government on May 31 to provide its High Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM) and Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM) training capability as part of the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) acquisition of the EA-18G Growler.

The Foreign Military Sales (FMS) agreement with Australia for an AARGM training capability marks the first FMS sale involving the weapon. The AARGM is the U.S. Navy’s medium-range air-to-ground missile for suppression and destruction of enemy air defenses.

“The RAAF’s procurement of an AARGM training capability is another step in the direction of achieving commonality between RAAF and U.S. Navy aircraft, mission planning and maintenance capabilities in order to maximize interoperability in a coalition environment,” said Capt. Brian Corey, Direct and Time Sensitive Strike Program Manager.

AARGM addresses current capability gaps in areas where the U.S. Navy deploys and operates its existing Air-to-Ground Missile, the High Speed Anti-Radiation Missile. Specifically, AARGM defeats multiple countermeasures that have been developed by U.S. adversaries since HARM was deployed in the 1980s.

The weapon will be carried on the U.S. F/A-18C/D, F/A-18E/F, EA-18G and Italian Air Force Tornado Electronic Countermeasures/Reconnaissance (ECR) aircraft. Currently, Navy and Marine Corps F/A-18 squadrons are operating with AARGM.

The RAAF plans to add the HARM and AARGM training capability to their EA-18G aircraft. The Navy and industry partner Alliant Tech Systems (ATK) plan to deliver the capability to Australians in 2015 to support EA-18G flight testing. Australia announced the decision to acquire 12 EA-18G Growler aircraft in 2012."

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Unread post28 Jun 2013, 16:20

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nationa ... 0315F.HTML

everyone overbid again.

Remember when Slowman kept saying the F-35 was out because the other two competitors wouldn't exceed the allocated funding? Lulz
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Unread post28 Jun 2013, 18:51

XanderCrews wrote: http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nationa ... 0315F.HTML

everyone overbid again.
Admittedly, I'm not all that knowledgeable about the nuts-n-bolts of these kind of deals. Is this normal, or is Korea starting to make itself look ridiculous?
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Unread post28 Jun 2013, 18:53

They seem to have two choices. Increase budget or decrease expectations
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Unread post28 Jun 2013, 19:55

lamoey wrote:They seem to have two choices. Increase budget or decrease expectations


Thats what it is looking like. I wonder how they arrived at that price cap anyway? an F-15K is over 100 million in FY2006 dollars. so an improved silent eagle would be even more pricey and Tiffies are not cheap either. All I can think of is they were hoping the companies would get competitive and start selling at a loss, but it looks like everyones bottom line is well beyond korea's funding. so increase the spending or start looking for lighter fighters

interesting F-15K thing I found while googling the price.

http://www.socialphy.com/posts/news-pol ... years.html
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Unread post28 Jun 2013, 22:03

Maybe simply reduce numbers...at least initially.
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Unread post29 Jun 2013, 00:31

I don't foresee the manufacturers of Eagles, Typhoons, or Lightnings going cheaper than they have. At this rate, Korea's going to drop its expensive wish-list, go for the most bang it can get for fewer bucks, and end up at Rafales... which I really don't think would be bad for what they need... sort of like those countries that have skipped Eagles and gone with just Falcons over the years.
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Unread post29 Jun 2013, 00:36

They should with this as a reality TV show.. reminds me of Storage Wars.
Just buy the SU-35 and be done with it. :roll:
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Unread post29 Jun 2013, 00:39

popcorn wrote:They should with this as a reality TV show.. reminds me of Storage Wars.
Just buy the SU-35 and be done with it.

You'd have to follow around the reporters and various out-of-the-loop commentors, since the real meat of the issue is all classified.
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