F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

ricnunes · by **ricnunes** » 10 Oct 2018, 17:18

Probably a little bit off topic but what castle is that? (or where is it located at?)

juretrn · by **juretrn** » 10 Oct 2018, 17:30

ricnunes wrote:Probably a little bit off topic but what castle is that? (or where is it located at?)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont-Saint-Michel
During high tide it becomes an island...

ricnunes · by **ricnunes** » 11 Oct 2018, 10:45

Thanks juretrn

hornetfinn · by **hornetfinn** » 11 Oct 2018, 13:07

I would consider replacing the current visible light TV system with SWIR system as they tinker with the system anyway. SWIR would allow almost similar resolution with much superior capability in night-time and ability to see through (light) clouds, haze, smoke and rain. Of course that would increase costs quite a bit.

aasm · by **aasm** » 11 Oct 2018, 14:39

In fact, it is already in close IR (the -)

lbk000 · by **lbk000** » 13 Oct 2018, 22:34

ricnunes wrote:Probably a little bit off topic but what castle is that? (or where is it located at?)

Thats the famous abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel. Normandy, France.

ricnunes · by **ricnunes** » 14 Oct 2018, 22:21

lbk000 wrote:
ricnunes wrote:Probably a little bit off topic but what castle is that? (or where is it located at?)

Thats the famous abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel. Normandy, France.

Thanks lbk000

charlielima223 · by **charlielima223** » 16 Oct 2018, 20:26

Former Test Pilot Jon Beesley, take not what he says towards the very end...

aasm · by **aasm** » 21 Oct 2018, 19:06

How is it related to Rafale?

aasm · by **aasm** » 22 Oct 2018, 19:30

Not directly linked but...

Dassault vision of 6th gen fighter to be revealed as a kit tomorrow

https://twitter.com/xaviervav/status/10 ... 6339123203

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 22 Oct 2018, 20:05

Never seen a mfg "skip" a generation before. There has to be something substantially different from the previous Gen in order to claim that yours is "Next Gen". This should be interesting coming from an mfg that has no 5th gen exp.

kimjongnumbaun · by **kimjongnumbaun** » 22 Oct 2018, 20:50

SpudmanWP wrote:Never seen a mfg "skip" a generation before. There has to be something substantially different from the previous Gen in order to claim that yours is "Next Gen". This should be interesting coming from an mfg that has no 5th gen exp.

I remember that this was mentioned earlier on the forum when Russia first announced the SU-57. Many posters here doubted their ability to accomplish the project due to the technical difficulties. The US had the benefit of learning from the F-117 and B2 before venturing into the development of the F-22 and F-35. Skipping straight to 6th gen without any of the lessons learned will probably go the same way of the SU-57.

hythelday · by **hythelday** » 22 Oct 2018, 22:17

kimjongnumbaun wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:Never seen a mfg "skip" a generation before. There has to be something substantially different from the previous Gen in order to claim that yours is "Next Gen". This should be interesting coming from an mfg that has no 5th gen exp.

I remember that this was mentioned earlier on the forum when Russia first announced the SU-57. Many posters here doubted their ability to accomplish the project due to the technical difficulties. The US had the benefit of learning from the F-117 and B2 before venturing into the development of the F-22 and F-35. Skipping straight to 6th gen without any of the lessons learned will probably go the same way of the SU-57.

There is no direct link between naming something "X generation" and said something acquiring qualities of name given. What they present tomorrow will likely their take on 5th gen - 20 years late, but at least they know what works and what the market wants. Rafale, after all, turned out to be a fine aircraft. Interesting to see what they come up with - hardly anything revolutionary, but their design might have certain advantages given it's timeframe.

ricnunes · by **ricnunes** » 23 Oct 2018, 16:31

aasm wrote:In those aspect, some consider 5th gen as nothing but a paramount of 4th gen, the real conceptual step being in "system of systems" straight from conception.

Here are "those same" forgetting (again and again) about Stealth and internal weapons stations (which sets apart and A LOT from the 4th gen)... :roll:

And I fully agree with hythelday, this (if it ever happens) will be France's (and Germany as well?) entry on the 5th gen. Obviously they will claim a bunch of PR BS (but since this is not from LM than this are facts and not PR, right? :roll:

) in order to try to stay relevant against the aircraft (F-35) which will at the time be in service decades ago and at the same time still likely better/more capable.

swiss · by **swiss** » 24 Oct 2018, 14:20

Well if the Russians can directly switch from a 4 to a 6 gen, no doubt the French/German can do this also. :wink:

The Model looks really nice. But there is a long, end especially expensive way to go for first Europe 5 gen.