F-35 got 0 losses in dogfights against F-15E Red Air

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post12 Jul 2016, 04:35

F-35 pilot explains how he dominated dogfights against multiple A-4 aggressors. Every time.
11 Jul 2016 David Cenciotti

"...To summarize what has been written about the F-35 dogfighting capabilities in the past:
...1. we debunked some theories about the alleged capabilities of all the F-35 variants to match or considerably exceed the maneuvering performance of some of the most famous fourth-generation fighter, and explained that there is probably no way a JSF will ever match a Eurofighter Typhoon in aerial combat.

...2. at the same time we also highlighted that the simulated dogfight mentioned in the unclassified report obtained by War Is Boring according to which the JSF was outclassed by a two-seat F-16D Block 40 (one of the aircraft the U.S. Air Force intends to replace with the Lightning II) in mock aerial combat involved one of the very first test aircraft that lacked some cool and useful features.

...3. more recently, we reported that the F-35 were not shot down by the F-15E aggressors in 8 engagements during recent joint drills, and that it was not the first time the F-35 proved itself able to fly unscathed through a fighter-defended area because not a single Lightning II was shot down during Green Flag 15-08, the first major exercise during which the F-35 flew as main CAS (Close Air Support) provider in 2015.


Needless to say, each of the above news stories caused much debate, with many analysts suggesting the exercises where the F-35 performed fairly well were just PR stunts arranged in such a way the JSF could not be downed, and others claiming more or less the opposite.

Whatever you think, here’s the new story by “Dolby.”...[This story has been reported upon above]

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Unread post13 Jul 2016, 14:26

What basement dwellers haven't realized about the f-35 is that it's the only other plane besides the f-22 that was designed from the beginning to operate in a very hostile e.w. environment, and also fly in close proximity to enemy SAM sites.

No other plane besides the raptor can operate under those conditions. It is inherently better than everything else in a real combat setting even without any block upgrades, at IOC it will be a serious handful to deal with
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Unread post13 Jul 2016, 16:11

So it beats ancient (A-4K) and older (F-15E) aircraft. It wouldn't be good news if it did suffer a defeat here would it?

Let the F-35 take on a two decades old F-22, that would be interesting.
Or let it take on a bunch of Typhoons with AWACS and GCI support, i'll take my hat off for the F-35.
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Unread post13 Jul 2016, 16:38

It would not be fair for the f-35 to go up against typhoons, the typhoons would never see it coming, shooting or leaving....

The Typhoon has better fusion software and kinematics than an f-15E but it doesn't have better individual sensors, as stated before the f-15E has a really good AESA radar and a great targeting pod. Still waiting on that typhoon AESA

My point is, the typhoon would suffer the same fate
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Unread post13 Jul 2016, 18:31

thenonflyingdutchman wrote:So it beats ancient (A-4K) and older (F-15E) aircraft. It wouldn't be good news if it did suffer a defeat here would it?

Let the F-35 take on a two decades old F-22, that would be interesting.
Or let it take on a bunch of Typhoons with AWACS and GCI support, i'll take my hat off for the F-35.

Well a flying Dutchman would probably grasp the performance relevance of both the A-4 and F-15E capabilities to their respective employment exercises.And that Dutchman would also be aware of the F-35B's "velociraptor" behaviors in scenarios that routinely 'kill' 4th Gen targets.
A Non-flying Dutchman? Apparently not so much.
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Unread post13 Jul 2016, 19:36

thenonflyingdutchman wrote:So it beats ancient (A-4K) and older (F-15E) aircraft. It wouldn't be good news if it did suffer a defeat here would it?

Let the F-35 take on a two decades old F-22, that would be interesting.
Or let it take on a bunch of Typhoons with AWACS and GCI support, i'll take my hat off for the F-35.


Didn't Typhoons suffer a defeat to the "Ancient" Indian Flanker? So after the the F-35 takes on and beats a "bunch" of typhoons that also have AWACS and other support that "counts?''

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Unread post13 Jul 2016, 20:15

thenonflyingdutchman wrote:So it beats ancient (A-4K) and older (F-15E) aircraft. It wouldn't be good news if it did suffer a defeat here would it?


Underestimating Draken A-4s is dangerous business. They are quick and nimble, and match the F-16MLU on many levels. The F-15E is no slouch either when set up for A-A.
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Unread post14 Jul 2016, 06:06

krorvik wrote:
thenonflyingdutchman wrote:So it beats ancient (A-4K) and older (F-15E) aircraft. It wouldn't be good news if it did suffer a defeat here would it?


Underestimating Draken A-4s is dangerous business. They are quick and nimble, and match the F-16MLU on many levels. The F-15E is no slouch either when set up for A-A.


The other factor with Draken, or similar companies like ATAC, is that their pilots are mostly retired O-5/O-6's with thousands of fighter hours, and most were also either WIC or TOPGUN instructors while on active duty. So there is a bit of an unusual level of experience and skill that some otherwise random dude in an A-4 wouldn't have.
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Unread post14 Jul 2016, 07:36

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Unread post14 Jul 2016, 07:42

Does, anyone here want to comment on how, an old A-4 with a Jammer gizmo and some heaters would do in a phone both with a block 50 F-16? I know its been mentioned before that the plane has a savage roll rate..
Where is GUMs when you need him?

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Unread post14 Jul 2016, 08:04

Honestly, the A-4's never got into position to mix it up with the F-35's. As the F-35's with it's vastly superior Stealth and Sensor Fusion. Easily moved into position and took them out. Just as they did with the F-15E's and the F-16's before that......
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Unread post14 Jul 2016, 10:16

Bump, Because Im beginning to dislike our Chinese friends
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Unread post14 Jul 2016, 12:19

Corsair1963 wrote:Honestly, the A-4's never got into position to mix it up with the F-35's. As the F-35's with it's vastly superior Stealth and Sensor Fusion. Easily moved into position and took them out. Just as they did with the F-15E's and the F-16's before that......


The pilot explicitly said the exercise was BFM actually, so there's a good chance thhis was a true "knife fight".
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