Test pilot admits the F35 cant dogfight

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post30 Jun 2015, 18:26

An interesting article about what happened when an F-35A met an F-16d in a dogfight exercise.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/test-p ... db9d11a875
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Unread post30 Jun 2015, 18:32

um... Search much?
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Unread post30 Jun 2015, 18:35

This has already been discussed ad nauseum in other threads about how AXE makes up stories with "unnamed sources" to slam the F-35. If there is not a named source, it's probably a lie.
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Unread post30 Jun 2015, 18:52

asianviper wrote:An interesting article about what happened when an F-35A met an F-16d in a dogfight exercise.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/test-p ... db9d11a875


if you read the article, you will found that the amount of bullshit inside that are just :doh: :doh:
for example :
the unnamed pilot wrote in a scathing five-page brief that War Is Boring has obtained

an unnamed pilot? really?, and some how a civilian website owner can obtain top secret military test brief ?

the nose rate was slow, allowing him to easily time his jink prior to a gun solution,” the JSF pilot complained.

what??? does f-16 have some psychic ability that they know when f-35 about to fire so that he can " time his jink " ?

the JSF flier discovered he couldn’t even comfortably move his head inside the radar-evading jet’s cramped cockpit. “The helmet was too large for the space inside the canopy to adequately see behind the aircraft.” That allowed the F-16 to sneak up on him

who is the retard that actually write this?
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Unread post30 Jun 2015, 18:54

Yep. It's a steaming pile of crap.

..but we already have a thread on this. Should delete this one.
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Unread post30 Jun 2015, 19:33

'asianviper' much earlier 'gabriele' posted that article and a long discussion started on this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=27186&p=293887&hilit=unnamed#p293887
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Unread post30 Jun 2015, 22:56

"and some how a civilian website owner can obtain top secret military test brief ?"
New Snowden ?
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Unread post30 Jun 2015, 23:10

Started reading it, but when I hit the outright lie, I stopped. Anyone that's actually in the know, will know the exact point the lie is uttered and why it's an outright lie. The article is garbage.
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Unread post01 Jul 2015, 02:25

sergei wrote:"and some how a civilian website owner can obtain top secret military test brief ?"
New Snowden ?

Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden (born June 21, 1983) is an American computer professional, former CIA employee, and government contractor
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Unread post01 Jul 2015, 02:37

checksixx wrote:Started reading it, but when I hit the outright lie, I stopped. Anyone that's actually in the know, will know the exact point the lie is uttered and why it's an outright lie. The article is garbage.


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Unread post01 Jul 2015, 02:57

XanderCrews wrote:
checksixx wrote:Started reading it, but when I hit the outright lie, I stopped. Anyone that's actually in the know, will know the exact point the lie is uttered and why it's an outright lie. The article is garbage.


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Unread post01 Jul 2015, 03:19

'checksixx' what is going on? Why be so coy?
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Unread post01 Jul 2015, 04:21

I think the lies start in the second para' with the first quote on WVR guns
“The F-35 was at a distinct energy disadvantage,”

It was said the subsonic acceleration of the f-35 is about equal envelope to the f-22 and therefore the f-15 and would out energy the f-16 with tanks

"According to Beesley, the four current test pilots for F-35 have been most impressed by the aircraft's thrust and acceleration. In the subsonic flight regime, the F-35 very nearly matches the performance of its' larger, more powerful cousin, the F-22 Raptor, Beesley explained. The "subsonic acceleration is about as good as a clean Block 50 F-16 or a Raptor- which is about as good as you can get." Beesley said. "
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Unread post01 Jul 2015, 04:39

I'LL NOT BE COY - A MUCH BETTER INFORMATIVE DISCUSSION IS HERE AND HAS BEEN GOING FOR SOME TIME ALREADY:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=27186&p=293887&hilit=unnamed#p293887
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Unread post01 Jul 2015, 09:05

Sorry if this was already discussed. I just read it the other day and thought it was an interesting read. So what is the truth? Is the F35 a capable dog fighter or simply a very smart networked fighter bomber with a secondary air to air capablility? Im fascinated by this aircraft and hope it lives up to its price tag. the avionics and sensor fusion sound amazing but can it mix it up close with an agile foe? Im not here to upset or troll anyone im just interested in your honest and learned opinions.

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