Can the F-35 match the PAK-FA
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Selling Su-57 to Turkey is political deal so price isn't important, so domestic price could happen.
Also it would be nice slap to Indians which would need to explain its public why they are paying Rafale +200million dollars and Turkey is getting Su-57 for less then 40millions!
Erdo probable want some other Russian tech, for example Zircons would be so nice for Turkey it would give him weapon to threaten Israel, and I think Su-57 will be able to carry two Zircons. Of course it is just Erdo's big Islam protector propaganda BS, but that is most important to him after all.
Also it would be nice slap to Indians which would need to explain its public why they are paying Rafale +200million dollars and Turkey is getting Su-57 for less then 40millions!
Erdo probable want some other Russian tech, for example Zircons would be so nice for Turkey it would give him weapon to threaten Israel, and I think Su-57 will be able to carry two Zircons. Of course it is just Erdo's big Islam protector propaganda BS, but that is most important to him after all.
Milosh, your post is fantasy, the Indians were not getting a cheap Su-57 price when they were actually paying for its development, the Russians will use the F-35 leverage to extract maximum price for Su-57 as Turkey will not have many options.
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milosh wrote:I think Su-57 will be able to carry two Zircons.
Su-57 will not carry Zircon.
Another hypersonic weapon system is being developed for it..
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marsavian wrote:Milosh, your post is fantasy, the Indians were not getting a cheap Su-57 price when they were actually paying for its development, the Russians will use the F-35 leverage to extract maximum price for Su-57 as Turkey will not have many options.
But Indians didn't paid their part of PAK-FA cost, that is reason why deal was canceled. India paid something like 200 million dollars at most, I think.
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milosh wrote:marsavian wrote:Milosh, your post is fantasy, the Indians were not getting a cheap Su-57 price when they were actually paying for its development, the Russians will use the F-35 leverage to extract maximum price for Su-57 as Turkey will not have many options.
But Indians didn't paid their part of PAK-FA cost, that is reason why deal was canceled. India paid something like 200 million dollars at most, I think.
Because they didn't think it was worth paying $10 billion just to get a few prototypes and no final aircraft. In addition, they were not happy with the plane that would have been the final result of that R&D money (didn't meet all of their requirements). And that's the price they needed to pay, before they would have gotten a single production aircraft (which would surely be at least as expensive as the Su-30 MKI). The production planes would also cost at least something. You'd get 50 combat-ready Rafales for that, even at your quoted price.
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That engine sure is PAK-FA's "X-factor". It's going to make or break it, no two ways about it. Either it's an underpowered, semi-stealthy, very fast fighter or...
It'll be an extremely powerful, lightening fast fighter that.... probably eats AMRAAM's anyway. Until and unless they get that little problem figured out, it's tough to see India/any other sensible nation buying it...
It'll be an extremely powerful, lightening fast fighter that.... probably eats AMRAAM's anyway. Until and unless they get that little problem figured out, it's tough to see India/any other sensible nation buying it...
Don't forget it will be the RuAF's first official AESA fighter as well. It's an evolutionary step in airframe and engines but that's how the Russians like to work, minimum cost and risk to give maximum bang for buck. It will only be notable if they ever get an operationally useful ROFAR radar on it but don't hold your breath on that score as it's mainly a big bold promising theory at the moment.
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