F-35A versus Saab Gripen NG

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
  • Author
  • Message
Offline

swiss

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 430
  • Joined: 10 Jan 2017, 14:43

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:18

I really like your sense of humor Xander. :mrgreen:

loke wrote:
Beers will be delivered in Oslo, Norway only ;)


Oh can i take it. Could be i come to Oslo in the next 12 Months. When i go for the Hurtigruten. :wink:
Offline
User avatar

botsing

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 851
  • Joined: 05 Dec 2015, 18:09
  • Location: The Netherlands

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:30

loke wrote:Xander you are exceeding expectations...

Let's make a bet: I bet 4 bottles/glasses of beer that the Gripen E will be delivered (almost) on time to the Swedish and Brazilian air force, and that it will exceed your expectations...

Beers will be delivered in Oslo, Norway only ;)

Hmm, for holiday I might go to Norway this year, this since they have a nice grid for electric cars.

How is the Norwegian wheat beer? :mrgreen:
"Those who know don’t talk. Those who talk don’t know"
Offline

loke

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 767
  • Joined: 14 Nov 2008, 19:07

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:44

botsing wrote:
loke wrote:Xander you are exceeding expectations...

Let's make a bet: I bet 4 bottles/glasses of beer that the Gripen E will be delivered (almost) on time to the Swedish and Brazilian air force, and that it will exceed your expectations...

Beers will be delivered in Oslo, Norway only ;)

Hmm, for holiday I might go to Norway this year, this since they have a nice grid for electric cars.

How is the Norwegian wheat beer? :mrgreen:

I believe there are some microbreweries with very good wheat beer, however I am not an expert on those... For the "big" producers my favorite wheat beers are from Hansa and Aas.
About Hansa wheat beer (google translated):
I want to say that this is the most exciting thing that has happened in Norway of beer in store strength this year. This is a wonderful wheat beer inspired by German wheat beer tradition. The beer has a slightly turbid straw-yellow color, with a light, fine and high foam. The foam falls slightly too light and it should have been more turbid. When I put my nose on, I get a lovely fresh citrus aroma. Furthermore, the fresh and sour taste that lies nicely in the mouth, but perhaps a bit too bitter in the middle case. All in all, a very good wheat beer, which I look forward to drinking more when spring, sun and summer come.


http://olportalen.no/2013/11/08/ukens-o ... ial-hvete/

However I believe the microbreweries are better... the question is, which one to visit!? I do not know...
Offline

swiss

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 430
  • Joined: 10 Jan 2017, 14:43

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:47

SpudmanWP wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:
swiss wrote:About cost for Gripen and F-35

There was a good article in a swiss newspaper comparing System Price for F-35 ( Belgium, Netherlands ect) vs Gripen price offered to Switzerland. And its seems the F-35 could be even cheaper then the NG.

https://translate.google.ch/translate?h ... 9h0RnNVfAE






Because all swiss newspaper are buyed by the chinese government. :wink:

Seriously Spud i have no idea. I copy paste the Article to google translate. Thats all.

@ Spud your post is gone?
Last edited by swiss on 07 Jun 2019, 21:50, edited 1 time in total.
Offline
User avatar

krorvik

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 625
  • Joined: 12 Sep 2015, 15:26

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:49

botsing wrote:
loke wrote:Beers will be delivered in Oslo, Norway only ;)

Hmm, for holiday I might go to Norway this year, this since they have a nice grid for electric cars.

How is the Norwegian wheat beer? :mrgreen:


Excellent. Recommend Lervig, Nøgne Ø, Ægir, Haandbryggeriet.... and those are the commercial options.

Go to the fjords of Sunnmøre for some local excellence: http://www.trollbryggeriet.no/

Stay at the incredible Øye Hotel below that peak:

https://www.unionoye.no/en/

Rumors have it there is a ghost at the hotel. Just about as probable as the Gripen E being on schedule ;)

(Edit: Embarrassing typo ;))
Last edited by krorvik on 07 Jun 2019, 21:56, edited 1 time in total.
Offline

swiss

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 430
  • Joined: 10 Jan 2017, 14:43

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:53

krorvik wrote:
Excellent. Recommend Lervig, Nøgne Ø, Ægir, Haandbryggeriet.... and those are the commercial options.

Go to the fjords of Sunnmøre for some local excellence: http://www.trollbryggeriet.no/

Stay at the indredible Øye Hotel below that peak:

https://www.unionoye.no/en/

Rumors have it there is a ghost at the hotel. Just about as probable as the Gripen E being on schedule ;)


Thy for your tips :)
Offline

SpudmanWP

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 8390
  • Joined: 12 Oct 2006, 19:18
  • Location: California

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:54

swiss wrote:@ Spud your post is gone?

Because I found out that the domain "ch" is Swiss, not Chinese :doh: and I deleted the post within a few seconds. Not soon enough apparently .

btw, it's hard to judge the cost of the F-35 vs the Gripen E based on separate FMS sales. The reason is simple, each sale is different from each other and the costs are not typically broken into categories. For instance, the Belgian sale involved a decade of support, pars, and upgrades.
Last edited by SpudmanWP on 07 Jun 2019, 21:56, edited 1 time in total.
"The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."
Offline

loke

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 767
  • Joined: 14 Nov 2008, 19:07

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:55

krorvik wrote:Rumors have it there is a ghost at the hotel. Just about as probable as the Gripen E being on schedule ;)

LINKÖPING, Sweden — Flight-testing of Saab’s Gripen E combat aircraft is moving faster than anticipated

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... or-claims/

:wink:
Offline

swiss

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 430
  • Joined: 10 Jan 2017, 14:43

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:55

SpudmanWP wrote:
swiss wrote:@ Spud your post is gone?

Because I found out that the domain "ch" is Swiss, not Chinese :doh: and I deleted the post within a few seconds. Not soon enough apparently .


Ha ha ok. No worries. :wink:
Offline
User avatar

krorvik

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 625
  • Joined: 12 Sep 2015, 15:26

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 21:58

loke wrote:
LINKÖPING, Sweden — Flight-testing of Saab’s Gripen E combat aircraft is moving faster than anticipated

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... or-claims/

:wink:


Hehe, nothing is impossible. It just takes a lot longer...
Offline

loke

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 767
  • Joined: 14 Nov 2008, 19:07

Unread post07 Jun 2019, 22:40

krorvik wrote:
loke wrote:
LINKÖPING, Sweden — Flight-testing of Saab’s Gripen E combat aircraft is moving faster than anticipated

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... or-claims/

:wink:


Hehe, nothing is impossible. It just takes a lot longer...

What do you mean?
Offline

h-bomb

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 304
  • Joined: 26 Apr 2009, 20:07
  • Location: South Central USA

Unread post08 Jun 2019, 00:15

loke wrote:
krorvik wrote:
loke wrote:
Hehe, nothing is impossible. It just takes a lot longer...

What do you mean?


History. People said man could not survive the sound barrier. Eventually we did. Then we cannot go to the moon the radiation would kill us, and we did. It was a mind set in 1950s and 60s in the US. This was the era of the SR-71 and Apollo. Nothing was impossible you just needed time and money. Lots of money....
Offline

loke

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 767
  • Joined: 14 Nov 2008, 19:07

Unread post09 Jun 2019, 12:59

Guided exclusively by patriotic impulses, as well as building on the numerical superiority of our Su-35 and Su-with 30 cm (more than 200 units) not only over the Swedish light fighters of the transitional generation "Gripen planes-NG ( two flying prototypes — "product 39-8" and "39-9"), but also over their earlier modifications of generation "4 +" JAS-39 c/D (only 98 machines), served by our experts for information about "no real threat from the updated" Gripenov "can be be treated as has long been a fait accompli.

Preparation of comparative reviews of such machines should be based not only on an assessment of the surface water data on their aviaparkah, but also on a detailed analysis of the possibilities of airborne RADARS, missile weapons air-to-air " radar signature aircraft, etc., and taking into account the possibility of a dujelnoj situation. It is these details often missed by the experts in the preparation of fresh material.

So, main armament multi-role fighter JAS-39 c/D Gripen planes» standard MS20 (July 2016 year for this standard is integrated into the "Gripenov" COUVE) and promising "-NG Gripen planes to gain supremacy in the air are URVB no longer AIM-120 family with AMRAAM, and promising long-range missile "interceptors" instantaneous "Meteor, MBDA integral rocket-Ramjet (equipped with a depth control system of filing a gas generator) allows keep unique products speed qualities even at a distance of 130-150 km from the starting point (podljotnom), that are unable to either American AIM-120 d, no domestic RVV-SD with conventional solid rocket motors. More importantly, just after the host of "Gripena" any suspension models (starting with MS20), inertial navigation system "Meteor" could receive target designation from AWACS aircraft E-3 c, Swedish "air radars» GlobalEye family and S-100B Argus ", on-board radar complexes of other fighters, as well as naval and ground-based radars by introducing in radiojelektronnuju" stuffing "rocket module two-sided secure radio communication.

This technological advantage can transform even outdated JAS-39 c/D in an extremely formidable opponents for the Su-35 and Su-with 30 cm, which, despite repeated excellence N011M bars radar and n 035 Irbis-e range the detection and capture of CC (in comparison with the ancient "gripenovskoj" RADAR Ericsson PS-05A) and not wait update their loads "air-propelled missiles" air-to-air "rvv-AE-PD, able to easily fend off possible" Meteors " .

The low energy features on-board radar complexes new JAS-39E/F hope also. If the early machine modification "c/D" carry on board radar with slotted antenna PS-05A, possessing a range of "capture" targets such as the Su-30 order of 75 km, forward-looking radar ES-05 "Raven" from the Italian company Selex Galileo ", submitted by the Active headlamps with more than 1000 PPM, capable of working on similar goals in 160-180 km, and with a remarkable level of pomehozashhishhjonnosti. Thus, one only detection capabilities "-NG Gripen planes are at one step or even a little they will out-strip the Su-30, Su-35, losing many times since.

Machine translated from: https://topwar.ru/153961-tak-li-bezobid ... chkov.html

This is what is important to Sweden -- not how it compares to the F-35 ;)

BTW; it seems this guy is not updated on the development of the PS-05A antenna:
EXTENDED AIR-TO-AIR OPERATING RANGE A new Air-to-Air mode is introduced that takes full advantage of the signal processing capacity and the flexible waveform generation of the PS-05/A Mk4. This mode increases acquisition range by 100% at low altitudes and 40% at high altitudes compared to the previous version of PS-05/A.

https://saab.com/globalassets/commercia ... -a-mk4.pdf
Offline

alphaxraylima

Newbie

Newbie

  • Posts: 18
  • Joined: 22 Apr 2018, 16:42

Unread post09 Jun 2019, 13:30

ricnunes wrote:BTW, does anyone know if the Gripen E can carry 2000lb bombs on those two fuselage stations?

In case NO (which is what I suspect) then this even makes things worse for the Gripen since in order to carry 4K PGM's the Gripen would either carry 2x2000lb PGM's on the inner wing pylons and thus would only carry a single external fuel tank (instead of two) in the centerline fuselage pylon or would carry 4x1000lb (2 on the fuselage pylons as seen in the picture above and 2 on the inner pylons) but then it wouldn't carry any external fuel tanks as all!


Image of the Gripen Demo with two GBU-10s on the fuselage stations
Attachments
Gripen_E_fires_first_missile.jpg
Offline
User avatar

botsing

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 851
  • Joined: 05 Dec 2015, 18:09
  • Location: The Netherlands

Unread post09 Jun 2019, 15:35

krorvik wrote:Excellent. Recommend Lervig, Nøgne Ø, Ægir, Haandbryggeriet.... and those are the commercial options.

Go to the fjords of Sunnmøre for some local excellence: http://www.trollbryggeriet.no/

Stay at the incredible Øye Hotel below that peak:

https://www.unionoye.no/en/

Rumors have it there is a ghost at the hotel. Just about as probable as the Gripen E being on schedule ;)

Thank you for your wonderful recommendations!

You showed the final arguments why I should go to Norway this summer.

(And who knows what planes will be sighted while hunting for ghosts ;))
"Those who know don’t talk. Those who talk don’t know"
PreviousNext

Return to F-35 versus XYZ

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests