What will be the USNs primary F-35 naval strike weapon?

jessmo111 · by **jessmo111** » 14 May 2016, 00:56

1.The Norwegian JSM will be qualified, but is not likely to be adopted.

2. SDB may not have the punch to kill another carrier, or destroyer.

3.JDAM is to slow and short ranged.

4. Jassm family is to big.

5. Jsow Er is a good pick but the weapon will have issues with CIWS, at such a low speed.

6. Harpoon needs external carriage.

A.What will be the primary ship killing weapon?
B. What would you reccomend? Supersonic or not?
Existing weapon or not?
I know this has been discussed here.
viewtopic.php?t=16326

But I don't think even the navy knows what it will use.
Personally Id like a high mach wave riding hit to kill internal weapon.

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 14 May 2016, 01:35

This.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 14 May 2016, 02:41

LRASM Video here earlier also: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=45446&p=337805&hilit=LRASM#p337805

jessmo111 · by **jessmo111** » 14 May 2016, 02:59

spazsinbad wrote:LRASM Video here earlier also: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=45446&p=337805&hilit=LRASM#p337805

Yes, but I thought Jassm and LRASM didnt fit internally?

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 14 May 2016, 03:14

jessmo111 wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:LRASM Video here earlier also: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=45446&p=337805&hilit=LRASM#p337805

Yes, but I thought Jassm and LRASM didnt fit internally?

If it can get the job done, it doesn't matter.

wrightwing · by **wrightwing** » 14 May 2016, 03:15

jessmo111 wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:LRASM Video here earlier also: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=45446&p=337805&hilit=LRASM#p337805

Yes, but I thought Jassm and LRASM didnt fit internally?

They don't need to fit internally. The missiles are stealthy, and would be fired long before the F-35 could be detected.

jessmo111 · by **jessmo111** » 14 May 2016, 04:00

What do you believe the Bee will use?
Will it even be tasked for anti-ship?
Can it launch with heavy LRASM?

jessmo111 · by **jessmo111** » 14 May 2016, 04:14

For the record a 2x LRASM 2X JSM and 2X Amraam load out would be pretty nasty. I hope the USN will buy NSM its superior to JSOW.

blindpilot · by **blindpilot** » 14 May 2016, 04:27

jessmo111 wrote:What do you believe the Bee will use?
Will it even be tasked for anti-ship?
Can it launch with heavy LRASM?

The paradigm has changed. Start thinking "system of systems." The Bee (or A/C) can go in with its loads, and launch JASSM-ER/LRASMs from B-1's or Escorting DDGs. The Navy is even trying to load weapons on every platform. There is no "can this platform do this?" any more. We have to change our thinking. That's the Number One message of the F-35.

MHO
BP

Dragon029 · by **Dragon029** » 14 May 2016, 06:15

jessmo111 wrote:What do you believe the Bee will use?
Can it launch with heavy LRASM?

LRASM is only a bit over 2000lb; the F-35B still has 2x 5000lb hardpoints on stations 9 and 3.

delta9991 · by **delta9991** » 15 May 2016, 02:16

Hey everybody, long time lurker but first time post and just gonna throw what I think out. I see the USN buying the JSM/NSM combo. The Harpoon sorely needs a replacement. It isn't survivable in modern denied environment. That's where NSM/JSM comes in. Fit checks are complete for the Hornet and A/C fleet. Integration for A/C will also be taken care of because other nations are integrating on their aircraft. USN can piggy back on this. LRASM will probably win OSuAW II with a decreased warhead and extended range to match the Tomahawk. Combine this with the Tomahawk getting a new radar seeker when the come in for recertification and that's an absolutely nasty land and heavy surface attack capability in fleet. At the same time, the fleet will need a lighter ASM for smaller craft like corvettes and frigates that can be mounted in the box launchers to replace the Harpoons on the Ticos, and Flight I/II Burkes. In addition, with the distribute lethality concept, we'll see the box launchers make their way to the Flight IIAs, LCS, LCS frigate and some logistic ships. The NSM gives them a modern, survivable punch that'll actually give an enemy pause. It's pretty much a drop in upgrade to really help the fleet and buying both in the quantities to drastically reduce cost for the USN. The C having an internal ASM can help with a long range stealth punch to deal with threats far from the fleet and will supplement the B so it won't need to carry them. But as has been stated before, it's now about the system of systems. If a B spots a threat, it'll pass threat position and data back to the E-2 or to a Navy vessel which can cue a LRASM or NSM launch to target. It never has to carry or launch the missile itself. System of system makes each platform and weapon more lethal and greater than the sum of each part. That being said, the Harpoon NG and II+ are really underwhelming to me and Boeing seems have missed the bus. The USN would probably upgrade existing stocks to the II+ standard to keep them in the game a little longer but hopefully Boeing takes the hint after being kicked out of the Tactical fighter, bomber and missile game. They seriously need some new clean sheets just to bring themselves back.

count_to_10 · by **count_to_10** » 15 May 2016, 02:29

blindpilot wrote:
jessmo111 wrote:What do you believe the Bee will use?
Will it even be tasked for anti-ship?
Can it launch with heavy LRASM?

The paradigm has changed. Start thinking "system of systems." The Bee (or A/C) can go in with its loads, and launch JASSM-ER/LRASMs from B-1's or Escorting DDGs. The Navy is even trying to load weapons on every platform. There is no "can this platform do this?" any more. We have to change our thinking. That's the Number One message of the F-35.

MHO
BP

Yep. The F-35 becomes the spotter, and the actual shooter can be anything that can carry the appropriate weapon, taking full advantage of the weapon's range.

bayernfan · by **bayernfan** » 15 May 2016, 07:12

For naval strike of F-35, my 2 cents:

JSM seems to be a great fit. I haven't seen any news saying it is going to be abandoned. Stealth F-35 plus internal carried 300km range stealth missile will be the nightmare of any enemy.

SDB-II should be useful. Yes. It can not sink a destroyer, but can certainly be accurate enough to damage its radar and or CIWS. It is small and virtually no IR signature to track. Range is a bit short but still possible. (>72km for mobile target).

Similar with JSOW-C, bigger warhead and longer range, but easier to be intercepted due to slow speed and bigger size.

LRASM (based on JASSM-ER). Due to its long range (>500km), external carriage is not too much of a problem.

I can not see JDAM and Harpoon to be the choice for near-peer enemy.

jessmo111 · by **jessmo111** » 15 May 2016, 07:29

Could a 4 ship F-35s each with 8 SDB really do a number on a destroyer? would 32 glide bombs be enough to cause secondary explosions and fires? could they atleast mission kill the destroyer? I forget at times that a small diameter bomb can penetrate concrete. who knows what it would do on a Sovremennyy.

old_rn · by **old_rn** » 15 May 2016, 12:15

I may be talking from a UK view, and therefore focused on F35B. The Spear 3 appears to have been given funding for the RAF/RN and this would lead to 8 weapons internally carried by each F35B. Because they are jet powered they promise a range from any altitude of 100+km. Therefore a four a/c section could launch 32 stealthy weapons from outside any credible detection range. While the individual warheads are small the overall effect would be a mission kill on anything less than a CVN?