More CUDA Info
- Elite 5K
- Posts: 5332
- Joined: 20 Mar 2010, 10:26
- Location: Parts Unknown
I thought it was 16 too, but the mind still resists because we've been told forever up to 6 AMRAAM, and nothing else. Maybe two wingtip 9x's, but nothing more than 8.
The fact the air force is funding this little experiment has to have LM over the moon. If they can pull this off and demonstrate proof of concept, then landed a contract - it'll be a milestone. How many times has a contractor self-funded something that actually came to fruition? Can't think of many examples..
CUDA for the F-35 and F-22 are particularly important, even assuming a lesser range than AMRAAM. They can get so much closer, and PK obviously rises with proximity. Overwhelming an 8 ship of Flankers with say, 12 CUDA's with another 12 waiting in the wings promises to lay waste to larger formations of enemy jets, and the price of using those CUDA's is going to be a hell of a lot less than losing 8 Flankers. Russia or China would go broke in a hurry given that dynamic.
Even assuming they had the money, they wouldn't be able to build jets fast enough to replace them
The fact the air force is funding this little experiment has to have LM over the moon. If they can pull this off and demonstrate proof of concept, then landed a contract - it'll be a milestone. How many times has a contractor self-funded something that actually came to fruition? Can't think of many examples..
CUDA for the F-35 and F-22 are particularly important, even assuming a lesser range than AMRAAM. They can get so much closer, and PK obviously rises with proximity. Overwhelming an 8 ship of Flankers with say, 12 CUDA's with another 12 waiting in the wings promises to lay waste to larger formations of enemy jets, and the price of using those CUDA's is going to be a hell of a lot less than losing 8 Flankers. Russia or China would go broke in a hurry given that dynamic.
Even assuming they had the money, they wouldn't be able to build jets fast enough to replace them
- Active Member
- Posts: 186
- Joined: 20 May 2015, 02:12
Fighters are no satellites or ballistic missiles which are delicate and move at some ridiculous speed that makes destruction reassured with a direct hit. Hits on wings or less vital areas might not lead to destruction as we can see how fighters not infrequently RTB following midair collisions. So i am not entirely convinced how an energy depleted missile can complete the last step of a kill chain. My concern is that one gets lodge in those huge flankers and RTB. Think how heat seeking tech is gifted to the communists in the past.
gc wrote:Fighters are no satellites or ballistic missiles which are delicate and move at some ridiculous speed that makes destruction reassured with a direct hit. Hits on wings or less vital areas might not lead to destruction as we can see how fighters not infrequently RTB following midair collisions. So i am not entirely convinced how an energy depleted missile can complete the last step of a kill chain. My concern is that one gets lodge in those huge flankers and RTB. Think how heat seeking tech is gifted to the communists in the past.
Note that having a HE warhead on that Sidewinder in question did not prevent the tech from falling into enemy hands.
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
CSAF Gen. Mark Welsh
CSAF Gen. Mark Welsh
- Active Member
- Posts: 186
- Joined: 20 May 2015, 02:12
popcorn wrote:gc wrote:Fighters are no satellites or ballistic missiles which are delicate and move at some ridiculous speed that makes destruction reassured with a direct hit. Hits on wings or less vital areas might not lead to destruction as we can see how fighters not infrequently RTB following midair collisions. So i am not entirely convinced how an energy depleted missile can complete the last step of a kill chain. My concern is that one gets lodge in those huge flankers and RTB. Think how heat seeking tech is gifted to the communists in the past.
Note that having a HE warhead on that Sidewinder in question did not prevent the tech from falling into enemy hands.
True! but at least we tried our best!
- Elite 3K
- Posts: 3906
- Joined: 16 Feb 2011, 01:30
Weren't they researching a/c cannon firing frangible ammo that did not require HE to achieve fragmentation effects? Maybe they could do the same with CUDA...
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
CSAF Gen. Mark Welsh
CSAF Gen. Mark Welsh
popcorn wrote:Weren't they researching a/c cannon firing frangible ammo that did not require HE to achieve fragmentation effects? Maybe they could do the same with CUDA...
A casing packed with sintered metal would definitely do a number to an airframe on impact, sort of like a 12ga breaching round.
I'm a mining engineer. How the hell did I wind up here?
southernphantom wrote:popcorn wrote:Weren't they researching a/c cannon firing frangible ammo that did not require HE to achieve fragmentation effects? Maybe they could do the same with CUDA...
A casing packed with sintered metal would definitely do a number to an airframe on impact, sort of like a 12ga breaching round.
No, no, no. Needs to be birdshot encased in wax.
"There I was. . ."
Aim for the pilot's seat.
Accel + Alt + VLO + DAS + MDF + Radial Distance = LIFE . . . Always choose Stealth
Please forgive me about this post of mine since it completely lacks any technical or otherwise useful information about the CUDA missile but it contains (IMO) a funny consideration about the name CUDA:
In Portuguese CUDA sounds like "cu da" which literally means "a$$ of".
For example "aunt's a$$" would be translated to Portuguese as "cu da tia".
Perhaps if LM plans to someday export the missile to Portugal (or other Portuguese speaking countries) they should consider changing the missile's name (I'm joking here, of course)
In Portuguese CUDA sounds like "cu da" which literally means "a$$ of".
For example "aunt's a$$" would be translated to Portuguese as "cu da tia".
Perhaps if LM plans to someday export the missile to Portugal (or other Portuguese speaking countries) they should consider changing the missile's name (I'm joking here, of course)
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call EW and pretend like it’s new.
- Elite 5K
- Posts: 8407
- Joined: 12 Oct 2006, 19:18
- Location: California
sferrin wrote:southernphantom wrote:popcorn wrote:Weren't they researching a/c cannon firing frangible ammo that did not require HE to achieve fragmentation effects? Maybe they could do the same with CUDA...
A casing packed with sintered metal would definitely do a number to an airframe on impact, sort of like a 12ga breaching round.
No, no, no. Needs to be birdshot encased in wax.
It likely contains the same "Lethality Enhancer" warhead that it's PAC-3 daddy had.
"The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."
SpudmanWP wrote:It likely contains the same "Lethality Enhancer" warhead that it's PAC-3 daddy had.
I don't know anything specific about its "lethality enhancer" but I wonder if it's something just big enough to break up the airframe (so all the energy is transferred when going after an aircraft, instead of just punching a hole through it), or something more. See 0:19 here:
"There I was. . ."
- Elite 5K
- Posts: 8407
- Joined: 12 Oct 2006, 19:18
- Location: California
That is exactly what it is.
https://www.rocket.com/patriot-pac-3-mse
Here is a pic that shows the "Lethality Enhancer" warhead in the core of the divert engine cluster.
The Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) provides performance enhancements to the battle-proven Patriot Advanced Capability – 3 (PAC-3) missile which will counter evolving threat advancements. Aerojet Rocketdyne has qualified a larger advanced two-pulse solid rocket motor for the MSE upgrade. Aerojet Rocketdyne has also qualified the Lethality Enhancer (LE) for the MSE missile. The LE is a small directional warhead that launches a stream of low-speed steel fragments in the direction of the target in order to enhance the kill probability for certain target types. These MSE upgrades will support both the existing PATRIOT systems. The MSE missile is also the baseline interceptor for the multi-national Medium Extended Air Defense System (MEADS).
https://www.rocket.com/patriot-pac-3-mse
Here is a pic that shows the "Lethality Enhancer" warhead in the core of the divert engine cluster.
- Attachments
-
- 68747470733a2f2f747774702e746f6765747465722e636f6d2f73686f772f6c617267652f393479746d76.jpg (35.07 KiB) Viewed 22593 times
"The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests