A-4 Skyhawk vs Mirage III

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Unread post22 Oct 2017, 19:57

spazsinbad wrote:Regular exercises with our RAN ships the A4G (or other fast jets - even RAAF later on) would simulate the Kennel in a KENNELEX.


I see - so you actually went after the subsonic AS/KS-1 thing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KS-1_Komet)
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Unread post22 Oct 2017, 23:29

Spaz,

Thank you very much for all the info, highly appreciated. :D
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Unread post23 Oct 2017, 01:12

basher54321 wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:Regular exercises with our RAN ships the A4G (or other fast jets - even RAAF later on) would simulate the Kennel in a KENNELEX.


I see - so you actually went after the subsonic AS/KS-1 thing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KS-1_Komet)

Apologies - I did not make KENNELEX clear. A FAST JET simulated the Badger (but sometimes a poor old HS748 was used) and another FJ simulated the KENNEL missile. A4Gs would be directed to the Badger (before launch hopefully) by ship radar (MELBOURNE AIR DIRECTION RADAR was excellent for the times - upgraded a few times also). Sometimes MELBOURNE was not involved however other RAN ships were targets or in a picket line defending etc. We also did KELTEX for the KELT replacement missile.

s842.photobucket.com/user/ontheroger/media/image_zps1b02f5ae.jpg.html

Personally I only EVER was a simulated missile in these exercises, other A4G pilots may have info if they were directed after the missile itself but I do not recall that myself.
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RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post23 Oct 2017, 01:16

f-16adf wrote:Spaz,

Thank you very much for all the info, highly appreciated. :D

IF you are interested in the OLD fixed wing RAN FAA then a 4.4Gb PDF may fulfill that interest. I'll attach a couple of pages about Badger/A-4s 'together' from it. Elsewhere there are pointers to online info about the USN use of A-4B/Cs as fleet defenders for their ASW carriers mid 1960s. This is what the RAN emulated until the Indonesian Badgers were grounded in early 1970s, however practice for revival of this KENNEL/KELT threat was ongoing. Particularly A4Gs would go after any 'shadowers' because in those days finding ships at sea was 'not so easy'. Whilst the shadowers would be good at staying out of range of aircraft or radar lobes every now and then on exercise they could make mistakes & WHAMMO! 8)

Follow the link at BTM my posts here to the RANFAAAA website and follow the directions there for a good result. The attached pages have been reprinted - to reduce the PDF file size (PRN) so any links are gone but should be text visible.
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Unread post23 Oct 2017, 07:44

NINE minute video about VFC-12 A-4 Aggressor Squadron with SKYHAWK gunsight film - I'll attempt to edit that out. Starts around minute 6 & 25 seconds. The gunsight can only be depressed and it was depressed about 7 mils for guns - so lead!


RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post25 Oct 2017, 05:55

Latest edition of the humungous 4.4Gb PDF about the A4G/fixed wing in the RAN FAA including helos up to today. And...

Stuff of much about 'HOW to Deck Land' from 100 years ago to today with the F-35B/C including inbetweenies and such.

Plus quite a few pages about the F-35 variants (with info about NavAv because you know - I LIKE IT!) Turn it up to ELEVEN.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9YKU ... lV2TzA5TVE SpazSinbad is the name to look for....

The file name is : 20Oct17RANFAAskyhawkA4Gp12,461.pdf 4.4Gb PDF for DVD (right click to DOWNLOAD)

Probably early next week a segmented .RAR file will be uploaded to Microsoft OneDrive. File will be the same because this file cannot be edited for the moment, viewing is fine though. Use the latest Adobe Reader please. Let me know if you have problems viewing / downloading / whatever.
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post25 Oct 2017, 16:32

Kriky, just make a website already.
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Unread post25 Oct 2017, 20:21

Why? This is what I make - PDFs. Why is a website necessary?
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Unread post26 Oct 2017, 05:57

spazsinbad wrote:Why? This is what I make - PDFs. Why is a website necessary?


Easier to search, edit, add media, link to, etc.
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Unread post26 Oct 2017, 09:08

Perhaps that is easier for you however the 4.4Gb PDF project started a dozen years ago or more when the internet was not what it is today. I learnt some DTP (desktop publishing) along the way to make the PDF as seen today (archivable on DVD hence limit to file size). WYSIWIG WhatYouSeeIsWhatYouGet had great appeal all those years ago whilst HTML was just a maze of bad standards never kept and bulletin boards with dialup modems. I used to POST DVDs to those requesting it and to then have FREE download websites was marvelous, after struggling with various other kinds of download sites was just amazing; although these FREE websites have their issues for non-mobile fone users like me - a true troglodyte.
RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post19 Jan 2018, 09:38

Anyone have a lazy 3 million US dollars handy? TA-4 goes cheep cheep cheep....

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Unread post20 Jan 2018, 01:54

Some good photos - inflight - of this TA-4J with bigger 9,300lb thrust engine making it equivalent to an TA-4F/G/K etc.

http://www.platinumfighters.com/ta-4j-skyhawk & https://static.wixstatic.com/media/2441 ... 286345.jpg
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Unread post20 Jan 2018, 02:03

40-45 min in a Skyhawk = $8,000.
http://www.collingsfoundation.org/vmf-f ... -programs/


Don't know about the Phantom, last I heard parts are getting harder to obtain from the USAF.
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Unread post20 Jan 2018, 14:03

f-16adf wrote:40-45 min in a Skyhawk = $8,000.
http://www.collingsfoundation.org/vmf-f ... -programs/


Don't know about the Phantom, last I heard parts are getting harder to obtain from the USAF.


They still list the Phantom flight at $15,000 on your link.
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Unread post20 Jan 2018, 15:34

Yes, I know.

I spoke with one of their reps about a year ago. He said parts for the F-4D are "becoming harder to come by".
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