
basher54321 wrote:The Supersonic ASTOVL development of the Harrier wasn't going to look anything like the Harrier.
http://www.harrier.org.uk/P1216.htm
Hmm never saw that one.
The P1154 still looked like a harrier to me.

mixelflick wrote:
OK... but how can combat record NOT be included in this assessment. Every time people bring up the Mig-29's combat record, I hear excuse after excuse. It was an early model. They weren't maintained properly. They were flown by monkeys.They were outnumbered. From what I saw on the dogfights channel, Iraqi Mig-29's were in close (WVR) combat with F-15's, not BVR. They weren't flown by monkeys, they were flown by combat tested Iraqi pilots (on some accounts, their best pilots).
So why is it they couldn't score a SINGLE victory? I dunno. I can see the point the Mig-29 has better maneuverability than say, a Mig-23. It just seems that every time one gets involved in a real life situation to use that vaunted ACM, it ends up being turned into spare parts, hair, teeth and eyeballs...
There was one maneuvering fight between a 2 Mig-29 and 2 F-15 in DS, well at least one we could call a dogfight, the Mig-29 maneuvered into the ground. His wingman was waxxed at 10 miles by one of the F-15's before the engagement started. I think in ACM the F-15 and Mig-29 are pretty even, comes down to pilot. But the F-15 is a BVR beast, the Mig-29 not so much.
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