SU-57 deployed to Syria

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Unread post22 Feb 2018, 16:24

gc wrote:Seems like the Su-57 is now in Syria. What for I have no clue. To deter USAF F-22As or other non-stealth coalition fighters? I suspect it has something to do with how US airpower smashed a combined Syria-Russia assault on coalition forces recently. The Russians must have felt damn naked when the bombs were falling. Time to hang IRST pods on the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18s. And get the F-35 into theatre to locate and track these Su-57s with their DAS and broadcast their locations to friendly forces.

http://alert5.com/2018/02/22/su-57-deployed-to-syria/


Reeks of desperation, IMO.

Having said that, they'll no doubt use it like they did the SU-35 - to work out the bugs in a realistic combat environment. It would be surprising if they're weapons capable, but I suppose it isn't out of the question. Likely more to do with how stealthy it really is. I really hope we don't fall into the trap of an SU-57/F-22 photo op. They could use that to get the rub, and proclaim their "5th generation" fighter is now flying alongside ours...
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Unread post22 Feb 2018, 17:13

Ach, you have to forgive them: They simply misunderstood the "#metoo" movement. :P
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Unread post22 Feb 2018, 17:22

I'm still amazed by all the ABJ crowd who screamed "PR Stunt" when the F-35 deployed to Europe for a few weeks who then believe this story is a "true" operational deployment....
"The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese."
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Unread post22 Feb 2018, 20:45

SpudmanWP wrote:I'm still amazed by all the ABJ crowd who screamed "PR Stunt" when the F-35 deployed to Europe for a few weeks who then believe this story is a "true" operational deployment....


Well the Su-57 analog would be deploying AF-1 and AF-2 to Iraq in say 2009 just to fly around. Not "quite" the same, huh?
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Unread post22 Feb 2018, 23:43

They are tired of losing arguments on f-16.net. Decided to troll for reals :mrgreen:
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Unread post22 Feb 2018, 23:52

Potential for Su-57 VS F-22- what an interesting thought

Think a high school all-star vs LeBron James :P
Am I exaggerating ?
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 01:55

The Russians are an interesting bunch and do things for their own reasons. Maybe this is just one more tool in the EW game. Hopefully no American aircraft suddenly crash from "anti aircraft fire"...
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 02:24

F-22 Pilot 1 - "Hey whats that?"
F-22 Pilot 2 - "Well its not one of ours. Is that the PAKFA we've been hearing so much about?"
F-22 Pilot 1 - "It could be. I though it was supposed to be stealthy? Oh well... I guess not. Record it and send it to command"

PAKFA Pilot 1 - "Hey whats that?"
PAKFA Pilot 2 - "I don't know. Probably just bird"
PAKFA Pilot 1 - "Oh well... I bet those American pilots don't know we're here or else they would have done something by now"
PAKFA Pilot 2 - "Stupid Americans... hey! turn off your radar!"
PAKFA Pilot 1 - "What radar?"
PAKFA Pilot 2 - "Something is tracking and painting us!"
PAKFA Pilot 1 - "OH S**T! Do you think its that F-22 we've heard so much about?"
PAKFA Pilot 2 - "I don't know but lets get out of here!"
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 02:31

Russia seems willing to accept risks that Western countries would likely find unacceptable to promote their jet. This deployment to Syria, if true, could potentially backfire on them.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... oi-361092/
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 02:40

popcorn wrote:Russia seems willing to accept risks that Western countries would likely find unacceptable to promote their jet. This deployment to Syria, if true, could potentially backfire on them.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... oi-361092/


Yep you had to go back to 2011 for that one...
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 13:21

Look closer at what we've seen so far...

The SU-57's aren't going anywhwere without SU-35/SU-30SM escorts. I'd bet good money that's the case the entire time they're there. Now, one question... How do board members here know it hasn't fired a missile or dropped a bomb? Or is that just speculation??

Its been 7 years since its first flight, surely they would have qualified some weapons on it by now?
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 13:22

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43155105

Meanwhile, two of Russia's most advanced fighter planes, Su-57s, have been sent to its coastal Hmeimim airbase, Russian military sources told BBC Russian.

The sources said the stealth fighter planes were still undergoing flight tests and there was no confirmation they had yet been used in combat.
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 15:14

mixelflick wrote:Look closer at what we've seen so far...

The SU-57's aren't going anywhwere without SU-35/SU-30SM escorts. I'd bet good money that's the case the entire time they're there. Now, one question... How do board members here know it hasn't fired a missile or dropped a bomb? Or is that just speculation??

Its been 7 years since its first flight, surely they would have qualified some weapons on it by now?


It think there was some official info from 2014 about PAK-FA development, weapon tests started with two prototypes.
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 15:58

charlielima223 wrote:PAKFA Pilot 2 - "Something is tracking and painting us!"
PAKFA Pilot 1 - "OH S**T! Do you think its that F-22 we've heard so much about?"
PAKFA Pilot 2 - "I don't know but lets get out of here!"


They may not even pick that up if the APG-77 is operating in LPI mode. Unless the F-22's are limiting its use to deprive the Russians the opportunity to try and study it.
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Unread post23 Feb 2018, 18:26

I think they got external weapons, never seen anything about internal weapons other than renders.

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