F-22 weapons bay

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Unread post12 Aug 2018, 23:25

Does anyone have a general idea for max airspeed the raptor can deploy or open its weapons bay to fire? I’ve always been curious about this
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 00:52

Raptor can release weapons, AIM-9, AIM-120, JDAM, SDB, while flying supersonically. The Mach number stated is about 1.2

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/f22_arti ... tem_id=101
https://defense-update.com/20120808_fir ... aunch.html
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 03:09

zhangmdev wrote:Raptor can release weapons, AIM-9, AIM-120, JDAM, SDB, while flying supersonically. The Mach number stated is about 1.2

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/f22_arti ... tem_id=101
https://defense-update.com/20120808_fir ... aunch.html

That strange, F-35 can open weapon bay at Mach 1.6
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 03:55

zhangmdev wrote:Raptor can release weapons, AIM-9, AIM-120, JDAM, SDB, while flying supersonically. The Mach number stated is about 1.2

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/f22_arti ... tem_id=101
https://defense-update.com/20120808_fir ... aunch.html


It's higher than that (much higher). It can release weapons from it's internal bay virtually over it's entire envelope. Certainly up to Mach 2.0. (If you think about it you'll realize why it's a must-have.) There's at least one F-22 pilot who's been quoted saying Mach 2.0 at 60,000 feet. Jay Miller's F-22 book mentions several tests that were pretty impressive.

First guided supersonic launch of an AIM-120 was on Nov. 5th 2002. Mach 1.5 at 35,000ft.
Nov. 22nd an AIM-9M from Mach 1.4 at 24,000ft.
Jan. 2004 AIM-9 launched from Mach 1.2 and 100deg./sec. roll at 5,000ft.
Feb. 18th AIM-9 launch "at high roll rate" at Mach 1.4 at 10,000ft.
March 18th. AIM-120 launch at Mach 1.5 at 15,000ft.
June 10th AIM-9 launched at Mach 1.7, 21,000ft while pulling 4gs.
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 18:35

These speeds where weapons are released are insane.

But if you think about it, haven't we been doing this for a long time? A-12 Oxcart and the Hughes Super Falcon missile?? I may be off on the missile name, but I know 3 were carried and they were BIG.
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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 20:23

mixelflick wrote:These speeds where weapons are released are insane.

But if you think about it, haven't we been doing this for a long time? A-12 Oxcart and the Hughes Super Falcon missile?? I may be off on the missile name, but I know 3 were carried and they were BIG.


The YF-12 launched from Mach 3.2 and 80,000 or so feet and hit the target. At least one as low as 1,500 feet. (Shoot-Down.)

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Unread post13 Aug 2018, 22:20

sferrin wrote:
mixelflick wrote:These speeds where weapons are released are insane.

But if you think about it, haven't we been doing this for a long time? A-12 Oxcart and the Hughes Super Falcon missile?? I may be off on the missile name, but I know 3 were carried and they were BIG.


The YF-12 launched from Mach 3.2 and 80,000 or so feet and hit the target. At least one as low as 1,500 feet. (Shoot-Down.)



YF-12A right, I stand corrected.

That's quite an impressive feat, especially for the time period!
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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 03:42

mixelflick wrote:
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mixelflick wrote:These speeds where weapons are released are insane.

But if you think about it, haven't we been doing this for a long time? A-12 Oxcart and the Hughes Super Falcon missile?? I may be off on the missile name, but I know 3 were carried and they were BIG.


The YF-12 launched from Mach 3.2 and 80,000 or so feet and hit the target. At least one as low as 1,500 feet. (Shoot-Down.)



YF-12A right, I stand corrected.

That's quite an impressive feat, especially for the time period!


Impressive even today IMO considering the AIM-54C is considered a long range dumb bomb.
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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 03:48

firebase99 wrote:considering the AIM-54C is considered a long range dumb bomb.


By who?
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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 04:20

sferrin wrote:
firebase99 wrote:considering the AIM-54C is considered a long range dumb bomb.


By who?


Ehhhh...vaguely remember reading about some Tomcat drivers calling the AIM-54C a torpedo or something joking about its effectiveness.
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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 06:43

firebase99 wrote:
sferrin wrote:
firebase99 wrote:considering the AIM-54C is considered a long range dumb bomb.


By who?


Ehhhh...vaguely remember reading about some Tomcat drivers calling the AIM-54C a torpedo or something joking about its effectiveness.


That might be due to the weight. They are 1,000 lbs each. That is almost 3 AIM-120's each. 4 AIM-54Cs with 2 AIM-7M and 2 sidewinders that is over 5,000 lb. That a lot of weight, compared to a F-15 with 6 AIM-120s and 2 Sidewinders is about 2,400 lbs.
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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 13:18

firebase99 wrote:
sferrin wrote:
firebase99 wrote:considering the AIM-54C is considered a long range dumb bomb.


By who?


Ehhhh...vaguely remember reading about some Tomcat drivers calling the AIM-54C a torpedo or something joking about its effectiveness.


The joke in the fleet was that the Phoenix was an air to ground missile... :)
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Unread post15 Aug 2018, 18:26

From what I've gathered, the Phoenix was only successful in Iranian service. Claims of one Phoenix downing 3 Mig-23's for example. Downing Foxbats as well. The Iraqi's certainly gave the F-14 and the AWG-9 a lot of respect, so even if the pk wasn't very high the weapon still had the desired psychological impact.

In US service, I've only heard about it being used once. Over Iraq, at extremely long range two F-14's fired 2 Phoenix at Mig-25's, but something about the way they were rigged up wrong led to the missile's not working. That was an expensive day, as if I'm not mistaken the Phoenix was a million dollar missile?

If I were flying the F-14, I'd only want to carry 1 or 2 of those babies. Because if you didn't use them, they were just dead weight should you happen to get to the merge. Too bad the AIM-120D didnt' come along sooner. With its much lighter weight and super slender profile, I'm betting the Tomcat could have supercruised with as many as 4 of them, perhaps more.

Iran still flies them, so perhaps they'll have one more day in the sun. They're ancient though, and would be summarily sacked by Israeli F-15's, 16's and F-35's. Word on the street is that they've reverse engineered the Phoenix though, and that could get interesting vs. say, Super Hornets...

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