USAF estimates F-22 updates could cost $1.7 billion

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Unread post31 Oct 2017, 18:34

The US Air Force estimates it would cost more than $1.7 billion over 11 years to upgrade 34 Lockheed Martin F-22s from a training configuration to a fully modernised, operational status, according to a USAF report sent to Congress.

The August report, recently obtained by FlightGlobal, outlines the estimated cost and schedule to bring 31 Block 20 Raptors supporting pilot training and another three Block 20 aircraft supporting flight test to the combat-coded Block 30/35 configuration.


$1.7 billion for 34 F-22s is $50 mil each.

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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-442672/
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 00:53

The USAF also plans to introduce a helmet-mounted cueing system for weapons and a "billion dollar" sensor upgrade for the Block 30/35 fleet, the report says.

Also, they are upgrading more than the 34 jets .

There are ~100 jets in the Block 30/35 sub-fleet. HMCS hopefully.
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 01:09

Makes sense. Just do it.
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 03:37

neurotech wrote:Also, they are upgrading more than the 34 jets .

I am sure they are, just not as part of this $1.7 billion.

The tactical updates cost almost $8 million more per aircraft, bringing the price per aircraft to $50.5 million.


$1.7 billion / 34 F-22s = $50 mil.
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 03:53

Includes a helmet-mounted cueing system, Finally.
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 05:05

I'm curious to the sensor upgrade (i.e. IRST, DAS-lite, cheek arrays?)
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 06:25

my guess is radar & ESM updates
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 06:34

11 years to modernize 34 jets. Hopefully the AF will be able to get more money up front and shorten the time frame.
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 06:36

SpudmanWP wrote:
The US Air Force estimates it would cost more than $1.7 billion over 11 years to upgrade 34 Lockheed Martin F-22s from a training configuration to a fully modernised, operational status, according to a USAF report sent to Congress.

The August report, recently obtained by FlightGlobal, outlines the estimated cost and schedule to bring 31 Block 20 Raptors supporting pilot training and another three Block 20 aircraft supporting flight test to the combat-coded Block 30/35 configuration.


$1.7 billion for 34 F-22s is $50 mil each.

More at the jump

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-442672/



If, these 34 early F-22's are dedicated to Training and Testing. Wouldn't it make far more sense to just buy 20+ new F-35A's instead??? (just saying)
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 07:16

SpudmanWP wrote:my guess is radar & ESM updates

I assume that radar and ESM will be upgraded anyhow. What piqued my curiosity was the phrase "new sensor," rather than new radar or new ESM. IR sensors would address the passive shortcomings vs other reduced signature targets. I know they'd mentioned upgrades to the AN/AAR-56, in the past. Adding open architecture, improved radar/ESM, HMD, IR sensors, and increased datalink compatibility, would go a long way to maintaining superiority.
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Unread post01 Nov 2017, 15:55

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If, these 34 early F-22's are dedicated to Training and Testing. Wouldn't it make far more sense to just buy 20+ new F-35A's instead??? (just saying)[/quote]

I don't think so. The F-22/F-15 combo is the stated air superiority team. Nothing can duplicate a Raptor other than another Raptor. Plus those F-35's should be dedicated to their strengths: Air to ground with secondary self-protect capability. Maybe further down the line when more F-35's are in play and fewer F-15's are available..
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Unread post03 Nov 2017, 00:09

wrightwing wrote:I assume that radar and ESM will be upgraded anyhow. What piqued my curiosity was the phrase "new sensor," rather than new radar or new ESM. IR sensors would address the passive shortcomings vs other reduced signature targets. I know they'd mentioned upgrades to the AN/AAR-56, in the past. Adding open architecture, improved radar/ESM, HMD, IR sensors, and increased datalink compatibility, would go a long way to maintaining superiority.


You think they're going to make the AN/AAR-56 more "DAS like"? Seems to me the hardware is there just not the software.
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Unread post03 Nov 2017, 03:50

Corsair1963 wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:
..If, these 34 early F-22's are dedicated to Training and Testing. Wouldn't it make far more sense to just buy 20+ new F-35A's instead??? (just saying)


....getting 30+ F-22As for the cost of 18ish F-35s seems to be a "Great!" investment; for "commonality" and a 15% increase in the fleet capacity.

....now that the "Lite" has somewhat proven?? the training simulator, the opportunity to upgrade the "early birds/ trainers" seems an obvious given.

....who knows??, maybe even a little "secret sauce" might be added???

....could/ would this be a trend for the "Lite"??
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