F-16V vs F-15C (ANG)

magnum4469 · by **magnum4469** » 30 Jul 2018, 15:16

Interesting article, looks like the USAF is considering buying new F-15s. I think they are serious about this since Lockheed can't produce enough F-35s in time to replace existing F-15Cs. The limited build of the F-22 and with the F-16 and A-10s coming to the end of their service life the USAF has to look at other options. F-35s can perform this role but for now they have been slated to replace F-16s, A-10s and can't be produce in numbers required to replace the F-15Cs...

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22 ... nt-fighter

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 31 Jul 2018, 03:02

magnum4469 wrote:Interesting article, looks like the USAF is considering buying new F-15s. I think they are serious about this since Lockheed can't produce enough F-35s in time to replace existing F-15Cs. The limited build of the F-22 and with the F-16 and A-10s coming to the end of their service life the USAF has to look at other options. F-35s can perform this role but for now they have been slated to replace F-16s, A-10s and can't be produce in numbers required to replace the F-15Cs...

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22 ... nt-fighter

LOL The USAF is not considering buying new F-15's. :doh:

magnum4469 · by **magnum4469** » 31 Jul 2018, 15:48

Corsair1963 wrote:
magnum4469 wrote:Interesting article, looks like the USAF is considering buying new F-15s. I think they are serious about this since Lockheed can't produce enough F-35s in time to replace existing F-15Cs. The limited build of the F-22 and with the F-16 and A-10s coming to the end of their service life the USAF has to look at other options. F-35s can perform this role but for now they have been slated to replace F-16s, A-10s and can't be produce in numbers required to replace the F-15Cs...

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22 ... nt-fighter

LOL The USAF is not considering buying new F-15's.

Corsair1963 what makes you such an expert??? Do you have some special insight or are you just trying to convince yourself you are right??? This forum is about sharing information, not expressing your will on everyone. Your snide comments on everyones posts are getting real old. You need to grow up!!

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 01 Aug 2018, 00:29

magnum4469 wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:
magnum4469 wrote:Interesting article, looks like the USAF is considering buying new F-15s. I think they are serious about this since Lockheed can't produce enough F-35s in time to replace existing F-15Cs. The limited build of the F-22 and with the F-16 and A-10s coming to the end of their service life the USAF has to look at other options. F-35s can perform this role but for now they have been slated to replace F-16s, A-10s and can't be produce in numbers required to replace the F-15Cs...

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22 ... nt-fighter

LOL The USAF is not considering buying new F-15's.

Corsair1963 what makes you such an expert??? Do you have some special insight or are you just trying to convince yourself you are right??? This forum is about sharing information, not expressing your will on everyone. Your snide comments on everyones posts are getting real old. You need to grow up!!

Really, please provide an official source or sources that says the USAF is placing an order for this new F-15X or any model of the F-15! In addition the last time the USAF purchased an F-15 (E) it was back in 2001 and even then just a handful.

To add to that the USAF wants to retire it's existing F-15C Fleet. Yet, we are to believe now it wants to buy more???

Also, it's extremely doubtful you can produce a highly advance F-15X. For a cheaper price than the F-35A. Which, would still be 20 times more capable.....(little value in that)

In short I suggest you take a good look in the mirror before you call the "Kettle Black" and do some growing up yourself.... :doh:

madrat · by **madrat** » 01 Aug 2018, 02:19

/looks for the LIKE button

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 03 Aug 2018, 14:19

So I see no reason why F-35 production can't be ramped up to fulfill the F-15C's role. Well, maybe one - $. But if memory serves the last F-35 buy was more robust than planned (90 airframes vs. 75 maybe?). Any new build F-15 is going to be almost if not more expensive than the F-35 by the time it's ready.

The F-15 is my favorite on many levels. But buying more 4th gen birds in a 6th gen world seems to be a Russian thing. Certainly the 4th gens that are in force today will co-exist with 5th gen, but building all new 4th gen airframes? You're just accelerating obsolescence, particularly at the end of that aircraft's service life. Unless they want to fly these "new" F-15's exclusively in the homeland defense role..

But even then, we don't have the fiscal luxury anymore of single mission airframes...

juretrn · by **juretrn** » 03 Aug 2018, 14:28

I see no reason why the USAF wouldn't want a one-for-one replacement for their 30+ year old F-15Cs, if for no other role than to defend US airspace and to act as missile trucks for 5th gens.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Aug 2018, 01:25

Because the USAF isn't going to buy New F-15's.....

madrat · by **madrat** » 06 Aug 2018, 01:42

Even if F-35 costs were equal to F-15, it makes more sense to build more F-35's. The F-15 isn't exactly free to operate. The F-35 would probably serve the ANG way better than new build F-15.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Aug 2018, 01:49

The USAF hasn't placed an order for New F-15's. Nor, have we seen anything that would make us believe that they plan too!

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 09 Aug 2018, 16:29

Does the USAF have anything like an 80's retro week?

We could buy upgraded F-15's, but why stop there? The Super Phantom sure looked cool, and who doesn't like the Phabulous Phantom? While we're at it, let's order up some shiny new F-16XL's! Can you imagine the range, especially with CFT's?

I'd order more F-18's too, but the Navy is already ahead of me on that one... :mrgreen:

h-bomb · by **h-bomb** » 10 Aug 2018, 07:10

mixelflick wrote:Does the USAF have anything like an 80's retro week?

We could buy upgraded F-15's, but why stop there? The Super Phantom sure looked cool, and who doesn't like the Phabulous Phantom? While we're at it, let's order up some shiny new F-16XL's! Can you imagine the range, especially with CFT's?

I'd order more F-18's too, but the Navy is already ahead of me on that one...

Wait a F-16XL with CFT's!! :drool:

Why oh why was it not made! A few squadrons for the USAF, and I suspect a lot of export potential went down the hole! :2c:

sprstdlyscottsmn · by **sprstdlyscottsmn** » 10 Aug 2018, 13:54

Because then you have an F-16 with an empty weight of 24,000lb and a fueled weight of 39,000lb.

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 15 Aug 2018, 14:25

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Because then you have an F-16 with an empty weight of 24,000lb and a fueled weight of 39,000lb.

Correct. And that's why I'd power it with an F-135 engine

. In all candor, I LOVED the look of the F-16XL and believe it could have met the mission requirements set for it. But the AF went with the F-15 and that certainly has worked out well. They probably (rightfully) thought 2 engines would be better for carrying such huge air to ground munitions. Not sure how the 2 compared in range. It would be cool to see an F-16XL with CFT's though..

Speaking of the F-15E.. why doesn't the USAF use these in the air to air role, after it's replaced with the F-35? They're much younger birds than the F-15C community, and they're absolute beasts without the air to ground munitions hanging from its fuselage/wings. Even with 2 CFT's it looked mighty capable at a recent MAKS airshow. Probably the most sprightly air demonstration I've ever seen from an Eagle, and that includes plenty of F-15C demos..

I have mixed feelings about retiring the F-15C. Would love to see it keep flying, but.. its given us over 30 years of service and performed so admirably. I'd rather like to see it go out on top, undefeated in air to air combat at 104-0. Like star athletes who hang around too long after missing a step, it's hard to watch as they struggle to keep up and tarnish their legacy.

I want to remember it when it was still young, and the last word in air superiority platforms...