F-106 Delta Dart versus F-16 Viper
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If a top notch pilot were to fly an F-106 against an F-16 with an average pilot, do you think the 106 would stand a chance?
After all it is the "1954 ultimate interceptor"
After all it is the "1954 ultimate interceptor"
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Tell ya what, put me in a Viper and Gums, STBYGAIN, or Cylon in a Cessna 150 with 'Winders and I think I'd be a smoking hole in the ground 
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On the other hand, remember that an interceptor was supposed to fly up towards a bogie and blast him from long range, and I think the Delta Dart had some air to air weapons with "physics packages" if you know what I mean... Now if we give the Viper AMRAAMs, who knows? Anyone else?
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On the other hand, remember that an interceptor was supposed to fly up towards a bogie and blast him from long range, and I think the Delta Dart had some air to air weapons with "physics packages" if you know what I mean... Now if we give the Viper AMRAAMs, who knows? Anyone else?
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No.
1. Even an average (or below average) Fighter pilot was picked out of a large pool of ppl and sucessfully passed some difficult training.
2, "In a dogfight" implies that a fight has started already and both have to fly good bfm and max perform their jets to get a fireing solution.
3. The only chance the 106 pilot would have is surprise, The first indication of the enemy must be his jet exploding for the viper driver.
1. Even an average (or below average) Fighter pilot was picked out of a large pool of ppl and sucessfully passed some difficult training.
2, "In a dogfight" implies that a fight has started already and both have to fly good bfm and max perform their jets to get a fireing solution.
3. The only chance the 106 pilot would have is surprise, The first indication of the enemy must be his jet exploding for the viper driver.
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I remember reading an article in a magazine a long time ago. It was about a unit transitioning from F-106s to F-16s. In the exercises they did, the viper beat the crap out of the delta darts every f***** time. F-16As...
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But any half-way smart SIX driver will simply light the blower, point to FL550, and make like a homesick angel. Viper would never catch him...
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Yeah, the Six would've had a very hard time turning with the Viper. It wasn't extremely aerobatic to begin with.
In a theoretical sense, you can't f*ck with something carrying a nuke-tipped rocket, designed to take out a formation of Soviet bombers. If it could take out a formation of Bears, imagine what it could do to the Viper.
In a practical sense, the Viper could out-turn the Six, and get a good medium range shot off with the AMRAAM. Oh yeah, and no one mentioned the Viper's Sidewinders are a much better choice than the Six's Falcons.
Still though, I always loved watching the Six fly. Man what a beautiful jet!
Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!
In a theoretical sense, you can't f*ck with something carrying a nuke-tipped rocket, designed to take out a formation of Soviet bombers. If it could take out a formation of Bears, imagine what it could do to the Viper.
In a practical sense, the Viper could out-turn the Six, and get a good medium range shot off with the AMRAAM. Oh yeah, and no one mentioned the Viper's Sidewinders are a much better choice than the Six's Falcons.
Still though, I always loved watching the Six fly. Man what a beautiful jet!
Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!
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I know the USAF used the 106s as remote control targets for missle testing at Eglin AFB, but I wasn't aware that other countries still fly them... or maybe I'm wrong
Both France and Taiwan use a plane under the name Mirage 2000. I don't really know anything about foreign Air Forces, but it looks just like a 106
Correct me if I'm wrong
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... D%26sa%3DN
Both France and Taiwan use a plane under the name Mirage 2000. I don't really know anything about foreign Air Forces, but it looks just like a 106
Correct me if I'm wrong
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... D%26sa%3DN
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Ok, I'll help out here. No other country besides the US ever flew the Six. They were pulled from active service in 85, and pulled from ANG service in 87. Last operational unit was the New Jersey ANG at AC.
Eglin's 53rd Wing (Air Warfare Center) only presides over the drone mission. The drone mission is actually carried out at Tyndall. All drone missions are performed by Tyndall's 83rd Aerial Targets Squadron. There is also a Det. out at Holloman.
Most F-106s now reside at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. I personally watched the last 106s leave Tyndall. Two of them left on the final F-106 flights, heading towards AMARC. The other left about two or three years later on a flat-bed truck.
About all the Mirage 2000 and the Six had in common was that they were single engined and delta winged. Actually, the Mirage III's design looks like it was inspired by the 106 in many ways.
Beers, MiGs, and FSATs were made to be pounded!
No other country besides the US ever flew the Six. They were pulled from active service in 85, and pulled from ANG service in 87. Last operational unit was the New Jersey ANG at AC.
Eglin's 53rd Wing (Air Warfare Center) only presides over the drone mission. The drone mission is actually carried out at Tyndall. All drone missions are performed by Tyndall's 83rd Aerial Targets Squadron. There is also a Det. out at Holloman.
Most F-106s now reside at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. I personally watched the last 106s leave Tyndall. Two of them left on the final F-106 flights, heading towards AMARC. The other left about two or three years later on a flat-bed truck.
About all the Mirage 2000 and the Six had in common was that they were single engined and delta winged. Actually, the Mirage III's design looks like it was inspired by the 106 in many ways.
Beers, MiGs, and FSATs were made to be pounded!
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Didn't Convair try to sell -106s to Canada? I don't think Canucks bit on the pitch though.
MATMACWC: What if the F-16's radar was disabled, the pilot was blindfolded, it was out of fuel and the -106 was carrying Phoenix missiles? And had plasma stealth.
MATMACWC: What if the F-16's radar was disabled, the pilot was blindfolded, it was out of fuel and the -106 was carrying Phoenix missiles? And had plasma stealth.
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