F-16 vs. F-22

cru · by **cru** » 02 Sep 2005, 05:48

No, but the Typhoon was yet to have its PIRATE/HMS installed and was only cleared to use 70% of the flight envelope (FCS software version installed) at the time.... but it was using ASRAAM.

Pirate is a BVR device, it is irelevant in WVR

sprstdlyscottsmn · by **sprstdlyscottsmn** » 11 Mar 2006, 15:46

In Falcon 4.0 Allied Force (the new one) I have gunfought F-22s with a roughly 50% chance of surviving. The game accurately models the F-22s thrust vector and all its benefits/drawbacks. I find that the computer often closes to gun range at turning speeds, so i closed and supersonic speeds. A series of loops would then occur. The F-22 would lose speed slower than I would, but I had more speed to lose. The end result, I could get a gunzo kill on a raptor using a BLK 50 Viper. I once tried BVR 1v1, I was toasted everytime, never even saw the bugger. Once tried BVR with 1 F-16 (me), 1 F-14, 1 F-15, and 1 F/A-18. The AI did not use TWS effectively and the raptor only killed the Tomcat and the Hornet before I was in heater range of him and splashed him, but I call that a "no test" as the "system" did not function properly.

pants3204 · by **pants3204** » 15 Apr 2012, 23:55

Why exactly is the F-22 more maneuverable than the F-16? From what I understand, TVC only plays a role in post-stall maneuverability and supersonic flight. How would that affect, for example, agility during a dogfight? Is it the greater wing area? Avionics?

sprstdlyscottsmn · by **sprstdlyscottsmn** » 16 Apr 2012, 00:26

basically the higher thrust/weight of the raptor allow it to maintain speed better during turns above corner velocity and the thrust vectoring allow it to slow down (forcing an overshoot) or point the nose of the raptor at the viper regardless of direction of flight, assuming it has a few thousand feet to recover.

avon1944 · by **avon1944** » 05 Nov 2013, 10:21

The original question of the F-22A Vs F-16C is best answered by an F-16C pilot, call-sign “VprWz1”, Back on Apr 17, 2005, he posted a great response on this topic. He had tried to fight the F-22, (that’s it he tried)! About a third of the way down page, “VprWz1” makes his one of several postings; F-22 maneuverability.
HTTP: http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNph ... bc383fa95f

Enjoy -Avon

geogen · by **geogen** » 06 Nov 2013, 01:28

Legacy F-16, devoid of decisive evolution and innovation and armed with similar a2a munitions will lose. Of course.

Although, that's more of a leadership and policy-making-related factor. :wink:

God speed.

maddog2840 · by **maddog2840** » 09 Nov 2013, 20:49

The HUD tape I want to see is that of the F-16 waxing the F-22. "If we can see you, we can kill you." Unless the Raptor pilot has his shields up. :poke:

Yes RaptorBois, it happened.

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 09 Dec 2013, 02:15

I spoke to one F-16 driver years ago, about dogfighting the Raptor.

Me: "What was it like?"
Him: "Must have been pretty fun for him. Was like clubbing baby seals..."