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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 01:21

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2019041010 ... s-reports/

The JASDF said Wednesday it has found what could be debris from the missing fighter jet, according to broadcaster NHK.

The incident took place during a training flight involving four F-35A fighters. One pilot was on board of the missing aircraft. The missing jet was reportedly the first F-35A assembled at the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries facility in Nagoya.
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 01:27

I wonder how warm and fuzzy communications are between the U.S. Navy and Russian and Chinese Navy about staying out of the area, I’m guessing there are some really good stories that we will never hear.

Let’s pray for the pilot and his family.
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 02:47

Reuters is reporting that wreckage of the crashed F-35A has been found:

Wreckage confirmed to be from crashed Japanese F-35 fighter
Tim Kelly / April 9, 2019 / 6:15 PM

TOKYO (Reuters) - Search and rescue teams found wreckage belonging to a Japanese Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter that disappeared on Tuesday over the Pacific Ocean close to northern Japan, a military spokesman said on Wednesday.

The pilot of the aircraft is still missing, said the Air Self Defense Force (ASDF) spokesman.

“We recovered the wreckage and determined it was from the F-35,” the spokesman told Reuters.

The F-35 was less than a year old and was delivered to the ASDF in May last year, he added.

Japan’s first squadron of F-35s has just become operational at the Misawa air base and the government plans to buy 87 of the stealth fighters to modernize its air defenses as China’s military power grows.

The advanced single-seat jet was flying about 135 km (84 miles) east of the air base in Aomori Prefecture at about 7.27 p.m. (1027 GMT) on Tuesday, when it disappeared from radar, the Air Self Defense Force said.

[ more at the jump ]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-defence-f35/wreckage-confirmed-to-be-from-crashed-japanese-f-35-fighter-idUSKCN1RM011


Edit: changed "recovered" to "found" to better reflect the story.
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 03:12

So when are we going to start hearing/reading comments that secretly Russia or China was able to shoot down an F-35?
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 03:13

A tragedy. If they've found wreckage, the rest of the jet should be recoverable, eventually. Then it'll be time to figure out why it went down.
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 03:43

charlielima223 wrote:So when are we going to start hearing/reading comments that secretly Russia or China was able to shoot down an F-35?

Tell me about it, I already got an earful of "Chinese hacking satellite" :x
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 05:13

Some more details....
Japan confirms F-35A fighter jet crashed; remaining aircraft still grounded
09 Apr 2019 Mike Yeo

"This story has been updated with the most current information. Last update: 10:10 p.m. EST - April 9, 2019

MELBOURNE, Australia — The Japan Air Self-Defense Force confirmed Wednesday morning local time that a missing F-35A has crashed, pointing to debris sighted and recovered Tuesday night by ships and helicopters searching for the aircraft.

The pilot remains missing. U.S. military assets have also joined the search, including a U.S. Navy Boeing P-8A Poseidon multi-mission aircraft on temporary duty in Japan.

The crashed aircraft, which the JASDF identified as serial number 79-8705, was the first of 13 Japanese F-35As assembled so far by Mitsubishi’s final assembly and check out facility in Nagoya. In addition to the 12 JASDF F-35As affected by the temporary Japanese grounding order, the 14th aircraft assembled, which is still at Nagoya and undergoing pre-delivery flight tests, has also been grounded....

...Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force aircraft and vessels quickly kicked off a search mission, with Japan’s Coast Guard sending two vessels soon after. Other JASDF aircraft, most likely search-and-rescue U-125A jets and UH-60J Black Hawk helicopters that are deployed throughout Japanese air bases, also reportedly joined the search efforts...."

Source: https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/04 ... -grounded/
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 06:43

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japa ... SKCN1RM011

The aircraft was at the front of a group of four planes out for training maneuvers when it sent an “aborting practice” signal and then disappeared from the radar, Defence Minister Takeshi Iwaya told reporters.


This changes things, opening up a myriad of possible causes. Was the "aborting practice signal" the pilot noticing a problem and attempting to RTB? Was it something like a "knock it off" phrase before a CFIT? Was it some kind of automated message (perhaps from something like the P5 combat training system after his F-35 went below a certain altitude or had some other issue) where the pilot potentially didn't realise he was in trouble / didn't have time to call for help?

Edit: Other articles like this one suggest that the pilot himself just signalled (via voice, or whatever) that he needed to abort the practice: https://thedefensepost.com/2019/04/10/j ... ter-crash/
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 06:56

I gather the 'crash pilot' was the leader of the four? Or maybe 'just out in front'? Anyway from the same story above:
"...The aircraft had been in the air for 28 minutes when contact was lost, the official said. The pilot had 3,200 hours of flight time, with 60 hours on the F-35, the official said. The aircraft crashed in waters that reach a depth of around 1,500 meters, making recovery difficult, the official said...."
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 07:29

charlielima223 wrote:So when are we going to start hearing/reading comments that secretly Russia or China was able to shoot down an F-35?


Fan boys in social media are already saying it was shot by an S-400, which would be an unnecessary act of war against Japan, one of only 3 Asian countries with a Mutual Defense treaty with the US. S.Korea and the Philippines are the other 2.

They have all reasons to shoot one down in Syria, specially since Israel has been using F-35Is in the area.
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 07:57

With the wreckage spotted we can rule out the ridiculous idea of defection, which was an embarrassing and insulting idea to start with.

And it being shot down is so far out of reach of reality that it's not worth any rebuttal, it's flat earthers levels of thinking that one.
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 08:36

botsing wrote:With the wreckage spotted we can rule out the ridiculous idea of defection, which was an embarrassing and insulting idea to start with.


The Defection idea was actually the most extremely unlikely scenario I can think of. It was not a knock on the Japanese. In fact I personally view them as the most honorable people on Earth, demonstrating that they would rather kill them selves than surrender. History has made them famous for this Bushido mentality.

But everyone has their 1%, people who are rotten to the core, CIA had them, the Spartans had them, even Jesus himself had Judas in the group. So we can't entirely rule out a possibility no matter how noble the organization is.
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 11:41

zero-one wrote:
botsing wrote:With the wreckage spotted we can rule out the ridiculous idea of defection, which was an embarrassing and insulting idea to start with.


The Defection idea was actually the most extremely unlikely scenario I can think of. It was not a knock on the Japanese. In fact I personally view them as the most honorable people on Earth, demonstrating that they would rather kill them selves than surrender. History has made them famous for this Bushido mentality.

But everyone has their 1%, people who are rotten to the core, CIA had them, the Spartans had them, even Jesus himself had Judas in the group. So we can't entirely rule out a possibility no matter how noble the organization is.


I agree 100%. Having worked the the JASDF, a defection seemed highly unlikely to me. Their aviators are also very well trained and consummate professionals on par with our own pilots. I hate to say it, but I'm guessing the most likely scenario was that it was a problem with the plane and not the pilot. Photo of me with the JASDF after the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami.

PS. They are professional, but they also play VERY hard.
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Unread post10 Apr 2019, 12:05

Same as the 'Dragon029' POST URL above: https://thedefensepost.com/2019/04/10/j ... ter-crash/ 'a piece of the tail' was recovered: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/ ... K3MfeTmtm8
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