Turkey negotiating with SEDEF Shipyard for 2nd Light Carrier

magitsu · by **magitsu** » 06 Nov 2017, 18:26

Corsair1963 wrote:Well, France could acquire a small number of F-35A's and/or F-35C's. To give them a first strike capability. As without them the FAF and FN will becomes a second rate Air Force post 2030. (if not before)

It might not make sense given nuclear role, which is very prominent in the French air doctrine. ASMP-A isn't anywhere in the consideration for F-35A integration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_de_dissuasion

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 06 Nov 2017, 18:34

The F-35 will already have the proper nuke setup and UAI. All the French need to do is give ASMP-A UAI and "wham, bam, thank you ma'am"... All that is left is separation tests (no need for a separate block upgrade).

mas · by **mas** » 06 Nov 2017, 18:53

France is never going to acquire F-35s. You have all seen how patriotic and strongly all the rafale fans behave on the internet. Now multiply that by a couple of factors to get how their politicians think. In time their sea rafales will be replaced by a sea variant of the new eurostealth fighter. End of story as France really does see itself as the European military superpower of the EU especially now the UK is leaving who was its only rival for that role.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 07 Dec 2017, 10:19

Turkey seeks to buy Harriers as an interim measure until F-35Bs are ready
06 Dec 2017 Kerry Herschelman

"Turkey has been seeking to buy an unknown number of Harrier fighters as a stop-gap measure until the F-35B short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) version of the Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is ready for Turkish service, Jane’s has learned from reliable Turkish and Western defence industry sources.

Jane’s earlier reported that Turkey had expressed to the United States its interest in purchasing 19-20 of the F-35B STOVL version. This is in addition to the 100 F-35As it already plans to buy from Lockheed Martin.

Turkey first approached the United Kingdom about the purchase of Harriers but then turned to the United States for the AV-8B in the inventory of the US Marine Corps because the aircraft have not been used by the UK armed forces since 2010...."

Source: http://www.janes.com/article/76200/turk ... -are-ready

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 24 Mar 2018, 17:04

Construction of TCG Anadolu, which can be configured as light aircraft carrier, is gathering pace. The ship, which is 68 percent indigenous, is expected to hit the seas in February 2019. “After that, we will complete the tests and deliver it. The value of the project is over 1 billion euros,” Kalkavan added.

https://aa.com.tr/en/science-technology ... 19/1098486

optimist · by **optimist** » 24 Mar 2018, 23:13

SpudmanWP wrote:The F-35 will already have the proper nuke setup and UAI. All the French need to do is give ASMP-A UAI and "wham, bam, thank you ma'am"... All that is left is separation tests (no need for a separate block upgrade).

That's if the US approves them to put a nuke on it. The US maintains tight end user control. If the other euro are nuke, then the french could be approved.

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 24 Mar 2018, 23:26

I think you misunderstand what UAI is.

If the French buy F-35s and they make the AMSP UAI compatible, there is no way for the US to know what is on a UAI weapon.

That would be like MS trying to know what is physically on a printer that is running on a Windows PC when that feature is not controlled by the driver.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 25 Mar 2018, 00:00

optimist · by **optimist** » 25 Mar 2018, 01:14

SpudmanWP wrote:I think you misunderstand what UAI is.

If the French buy F-35s and they make the AMSP UAI compatible, there is no way for the US to know what is on a UAI weapon.

That would be like MS trying to know what is physically on a printer that is running on a Windows PC when that feature is not controlled by the driver.

nope, I don't misunderstand it at all. I'm saying AFAIK the US controls what can be put on the f-35, just because it can, doesn't mean the US will approve it. Going against end user approval, brings a whole world of hurt. Using the printer as an example, they approve what can be printed. They can say you can't print the word 'goldfish' with our printer driver. What UAI does is allow 3rd party access without access to the core program, because no one gets to the core coding. Using MS OS example, the UAI is a driver that pugs in. The US controls what can be plugged in. It's also why when countries buy aim-120, US supply some and stockpile the rest, to be released with approved action. Buying off the US comes with limitations

sunstersun · by **sunstersun** » 25 Mar 2018, 03:35

Sucks that the F-35C will probably only be operated by the USN, the market for the F-35 B is much much greater.

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 25 Mar 2018, 05:02

optimist wrote:I don't misunderstand it at all. I'm saying AFAIK the US controls what can be put on the f-35

The only way that the US can control what weapon goes on a plane is to change the software to not allow it. That cannot be done with UAI.

To continue with the printer example, it would be like banning all blue printers. It cannot be done.

That being said, obviously the US could impose a political penalty if they ever found out the French carried a nuke, but they could not stop them from doing so.

optimist · by **optimist** » 25 Mar 2018, 05:12

SpudmanWP wrote:
optimist wrote:I don't misunderstand it at all. I'm saying AFAIK the US controls what can be put on the f-35

The only way that the US can control what weapon goes on a plane is to change the software to not allow it. That cannot be done with UAI.

To continue with the printer example, it would be like banning all blue printers. It cannot be done.

That being said, obviously the US could impose a political penalty if they ever found out the French carried a nuke, but they could not stop them from doing so.

Nope, they don't need to change software. it doesn't work like that. They can ban the blue printer from being used on their system. US control end user use of their weapon system by agreement. Doing differently will end in tears. I would guess it is one of the reasons the turks went with Russian SAMs with Israel neighbours

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 25 Mar 2018, 05:23

optimist wrote:Doing differently will end in tears.

France could carry a conventional ASMP whenever they want and if & when they had to carry a nuke, I think they would not really care what the US thinks at that point.

optimist · by **optimist** » 25 Mar 2018, 05:50

SpudmanWP wrote:
optimist wrote:Doing differently will end in tears.
France could carry a conventional ASMP whenever they want and if & when they had to carry a nuke, I think they would not really care what the US thinks at that point.

well if it's not approved, that's when the tears start. When their access to the NATO/US system is turned off, for a start. NATO/US won't tolerate unsanctioned actions by anyone.

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 25 Mar 2018, 05:58

If you're dropping nukes.. that would be the least of your worries.