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Unread post02 Mar 2017, 16:12

From defenseaerospace. (Par for the course for that guy.)

"(EDITOR’S NOTE: The US Air Force famously plans to operate its F-35As with F-22s – if enough are available – flying top cover. The Israeli Air Force, which doesn’t have any F-22s, is now training with F-16Is to escort its F-35s.
This confirms, once and for all, that the F-35 is ill-equipped to fly combat missions without air-superiority fighters providing top cover, and puts paid to the various claims by its backers that it can survive alone.) "


http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... scort.html
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Unread post02 Mar 2017, 17:52

sferrin wrote:From defenseaerospace. (Par for the course for that guy.)

"(EDITOR’S NOTE: The US Air Force famously plans to operate its F-35As with F-22s – if enough are available – flying top cover. The Israeli Air Force, which doesn’t have any F-22s, is now training with F-16Is to escort its F-35s.
This confirms, once and for all, that the F-35 is ill-equipped to fly combat missions without air-superiority fighters providing top cover, and puts paid to the various claims by its backers that it can survive alone.) "


http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... scort.html

I like how defense aerospace editor is always desperately try to play down F-35 capabilities. Pathetic
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Unread post02 Mar 2017, 18:15

I read that article to take away that the F-35i escorts the F-16s & makes them mo betta - just like the advertisement says.
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Unread post02 Mar 2017, 18:40

Lol Yes it's just like when the KC-135s escorts and protects the F-22s
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Unread post02 Mar 2017, 18:41

spazsinbad wrote:I read that article to take away that the F-35i escorts the F-16s & makes them mo betta - just like the advertisement says.


Yep, just like F-22s do with F-15s (and probably Typhoons when they're around).
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Unread post03 Mar 2017, 14:46

So a non stealthy platform escorts the F-35, thereby alerting the bad guys to both their presence.

Got it :)
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Unread post13 Mar 2017, 19:22



Wow, that guy's mechanical engineering degree / prowess must either rival Elon Musk's physics knowledge, or he forgot a little bit since graduating and is just piling it higher and deeper. (The article did mention he has his Master's... so maybe he's just piling it higher and deeper.)

I wonder if Pierre Sprey helped him write that piece.
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Unread post13 Mar 2017, 23:17


That article comes really close to being entirely false. Pretty much anything factual was stated in such a misleading way so as to make the conclusion false.

Holy crap. No radar? Seriously?
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Unread post14 Mar 2017, 00:54



I think he just "designed" an F-16A with an IRST.
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Unread post14 Mar 2017, 01:32

steve2267 wrote:I wonder if Pierre Sprey helped him write that piece.


It does read suspiciously close to what Sprey has been pushing for years.
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Unread post14 Mar 2017, 01:47


Jesus rollerblading Christ, was that a giant pile of bollocks!
The author basically goes on a diatribe about how awful the F-35 is based on... um... something...? And proceeds on saying how stealth is useless, radar is useless, how great passive sensors are and that the F-35 can apparently only every two or three days.
Not to mention a modern, competitive fighter for... 48 million USD?! And 10k/flight hour... okay?
The author also makes up a top speed figure for the F-22, gives the F-35 a "large+" IR signature rating :roll: , and calls F-35s IR capability "aging tech, mediocre" and the weapon payload of the F-35 is apparently "4 missiles, 1 gun - big issues". The hilarity is just incredible! :D

Need to bookmark this one for posterity for when I need cheering up.
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Unread post14 Mar 2017, 01:52

:devil: 'juretrn' print it out (on soft paper I guess) so that for your posterior (when you run out of toilet paper) it'll do instead.
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Unread post14 Mar 2017, 01:57

spazsinbad wrote::devil: 'juretrn' print it out (on soft paper I guess) so that for your posterior (when you run out of toilet paper) it'll do instead.

Sounds about appropriate.
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Unread post14 Mar 2017, 02:28

The last time, didn't they call it the F-20? Sold real well versus the F-16 even though it was 'cheaper'.

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