F-35 and Airshows

geforcerfx · by **geforcerfx** » 15 Jul 2018, 19:16

another camera, bit closer in

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 16 Jul 2018, 07:53

Impressive display showing the high energy and excellent nose pointing ability. It can do maneuvers like a TVC jet but without having to slow to a crawl to do them which will make them more operationally useful. Idiots like Sprey need to make a public apology with their simplistic FUD now being exposed for the BS it always was. The F-35 dynamically has a nice blend of F-22/F-16/F-18 qualities that altogether will actually make it an aggressive dogfighter rather than a sitting duck victim as the FUDsters falsely claimed for years. With that RIAT display you can now visualize what the Norwegian Pilot 'Dolby' was talking about in his analysis of his ACM experiences with the jet.

http://nettsteder.regjeringen.no/kampfl ... ed-so-far/

p.s. the dogfighting is still only a tertiary level parameter after the stealth and situational awareness which is another major problem with this backward obsession all these FUDsters have had with it. So wrong on all counts !
As the 21st century generic cheapest most advanced successor to the ubiquitous F-16 it really does deliver !

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 16 Jul 2018, 08:05

Yes, time for the F-35 Critics to face the music! :wink:

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 16 Jul 2018, 13:02

I forgot one thing the F-35 at the airshow said that really registered...

Now these boys were from Eglin, and the airshow was in MA. He stated they came up the day before and although they stopped to refuel once, they (there were 2) could have made it non-stop, no problem.

I guess 18,000lbs of fuel has its advantages. Same pilot said the F-22 has far less loiter time, but I suppose that really depends on how you fly the jet, how close to the front you're based etc. He also said the F-35's legs were far and away superior to the F-15, which was the aircraft he was coming from..

zero-one · by **zero-one** » 16 Jul 2018, 14:29

This might be just me but sometimes I find American demo pilots to be too concerned with their Energy state.
A lot of extending all throughout. I guess this is just how the pilots are trained to fly and maneuver and its bleeding into their airshow routines.

keeping your energy up is definitely the most tactically relevant way of maneuvering your aircraft. But for an airshow where no one is trying to kill you, maybe looking good can get ahead of what is actually good. Just like how movies prefer flashy, acrobatic hand to hand combat over more realistic take downs.

Take for example, I always read from airshow enthusiast that the best Viper demo is the Greek one, or the Turkish one, best Hornet demo is from the Swiss. When you watch it, theres a lot of unnecessary rolls and reversals, he's probably flying around a hundred knots slower than the Nelis guys, but it sure looks good on camera. This makes me excited on how the Europeans will employ the F-35A on their demos.

There are exceptions. I remember watching an Eagle demo done in Russia from the USAF Eagle demo team, that one was specially aggressive. Raptor demo in RIAT 2009 was also exceptional.

SpudmanWP · by **SpudmanWP** » 16 Jul 2018, 16:13

mixelflick wrote:Now these boys were from Eglin, and the airshow was in MA. He stated they came up the day before and although they stopped to refuel once, they (there were 2) could have made it non-stop, no problem.

Yup as they could have flown there (977nmi) and more than half of way back (another 503nmi) on a single tank :mrgreen:

sferrin · by **sferrin** » 16 Jul 2018, 16:45

zero-one wrote:There are exceptions. I remember watching an Eagle demo done in Russia from the USAF Eagle demo team, that one was specially aggressive. Raptor demo in RIAT 2009 was also exceptional.

That the one where the Eagle lost part of a vertical stab skin? :shock:

gta4 · by **gta4** » 16 Jul 2018, 17:00

Emmm... can't turn, can't climb, can't run

: F-35 turn and climb.gif (1.2 MiB) Viewed 73527 times

original video:

zero-one · by **zero-one** » 16 Jul 2018, 17:29

sferrin wrote:That the one where the Eagle lost part of a vertical stab skin?

I can't watch the video, but yes Thats definitely it. Why was this particular Eagle demo so aggressive anyway?
Sending a message to all the Russians that, hey just because you can do them fancy Cobra's don't mean you can out dogfight this old dog just yet.

magitsu · by **magitsu** » 17 Jul 2018, 19:12

For comparison: This was awarded with the (best individual flying display) Sir Douglas Bader Trophy in RIAT 2018.
https://ilmavoimat.fi/en/article/-/asse ... itanniassa

The Swiss one seems at least as good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abqQ1OBjWsk

saberrider · by **saberrider** » 17 Jul 2018, 21:58

magitsu wrote:For comparison: This was awarded with the (best individual flying display) Sir Douglas Bader Trophy in RIAT 2018.
https://ilmavoimat.fi/en/article/-/asse ... itanniassa

The Swiss one seems at least as good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abqQ1OBjWsk

For me Belgium with F16 was very good .But don't see Turkish solo eniwere.

magitsu · by **magitsu** » 17 Jul 2018, 23:55

saberrider wrote:For me Belgium with F16 was very good .But don't see Turkish solo eniwere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Uke2iTaVw

quicksilver · by **quicksilver** » 18 Jul 2018, 00:22

“This might be just me but sometimes I find American demo pilots to be too concerned with their Energy state.”

You’re right; it’s just you.

citanon · by **citanon** » 18 Jul 2018, 00:50

If you guys still aren't sick of seeing the RIAT F35, this one has probably the clearest 4K video:

geforcerfx · by **geforcerfx** » 18 Jul 2018, 05:04

citanon wrote:If you guys still aren't sick of seeing the RIAT F35, this one has probably the clearest 4K video:

Nice find, he got that over the top pull perfectly, overall just a great job with camera in that one.