F-22A and Typhoon meet.... (actually they met a while back)

skrip00 · by **skrip00** » 13 Aug 2006, 06:14

I submitted it awhile back to be in the F-22A Gallery.... but no luck.

Makes you wonder if those two ever got up into the sky together one day..

LordOfBunnies · by **LordOfBunnies** » 13 Aug 2006, 06:45

Yep, the Raptor and Tiffy are playing right now. I believe they're doing combat air manuver stuff... basically dogfighting to get a feel for the fighters and figure out strengths and weaknesses, and before you say anything. The Tiffy is doing pretty well in knife-fights because it has JHMCS and the Raptor doesn't. I'm betting the Raptor is eating the Tiffy's lunch in BVR because... well it was designed to and do it's job better than was required.

skrip00 · by **skrip00** » 13 Aug 2006, 06:49

This picture is from late 2004.

TS · by TS » 13 Aug 2006, 07:14

Interesting thread once again.

Here are some closely related news for the Tiffy and the Raptor from the latest issue of Air Forces Monthly (AFM),Key Publishing, September 2006 issue, pp7 :

RAF Pilot Qualifies on F-22 Raptor

FLT LT Dan Robinson became the first Royal Air Force pilot to complete F-22 Raptor training with the 43rd Fighter Squadron at Tyndall AFB, Florida, where he graduated on July 17. Flt Lt Robinson, a Tornado F.3 pilot, previously with 25(F) Squadron based at RAF Leeming, Yorkshire, is now serving with the 1st Fighter Wing, the operational F-22 Raptor Wing at Langley AFB, Virginia. Robinson's F-22 Raptor tour, is part of the Royal Air Force-US Air Force exchange programme.

In return, a US Air Force fighter pilot will be trained on the Eurofighter Typhoon with 29(R) Squadron at RAF Conigsby, Lincolnshire and fly with an operational unit thereafter.

TS

skrip00 · by **skrip00** » 13 Aug 2006, 17:18

When you fly an F-22A or Typhoon... sneaking off to fly the other is kinda like sneaking out on your young, hot, wild, wife with another young, hot, wild, hottie.

boff180 · by **boff180** » 13 Aug 2006, 20:19

LordOfBunnies wrote:Yep, the Raptor and Tiffy are playing right now. I believe they're doing combat air manuver stuff... basically dogfighting to get a feel for the fighters and figure out strengths and weaknesses, and before you say anything. The Tiffy is doing pretty well in knife-fights because it has JHMCS and the Raptor doesn't. I'm betting the Raptor is eating the Tiffy's lunch in BVR because... well it was designed to and do it's job better than was required.

Thats what ive been hearing...

The Typhoons (2 of them coded AA and AC from 17Sqn) were originally there purely for EW testing work on an indefinate detachment. However due to the fact the USAF have nothing that can give it a run for its money at any range, they have been paying the RAF for the Typhoons to provide dissimilar combat training for the F-22.

In WVR the Typhoon is currently winning the majority of engagements as they are almost equal in manouverability terms (f-22 superior in instantaneous) however Typhoon is carrying hobs where as F-22 currently is not. Giving it a major advantage. Once (if ever) F-22 gets hobs, things should be pretty even.

Also the F-22 is winning the vast majority (but not all) of the BVR engagements. Which is as expected. However, on atleast one occasion the Typhoon has been reported to have detected, tracked and locked an F-22 at 80km! It is believed that the F-22 was carrying external tanks at the time though.

Incidently this has been further fuelling the rumour that the USAF are looking at purchasing/leasing a number of Typhoon to form an agressor unit.

Andy

Safetystick · by **Safetystick** » 13 Aug 2006, 21:00

Given that the external tanks and pylons are not stealthy (at least not the ones I've seen) then that's probably not unexpected. It is only a ferry configuration.

Can't see how else it would do it. Not unless the F-22 had a door problem or something.

Hmm. Typhoons with Red Stars and SU-30 style camo. That wouldn't look too shabby actually.

skrip00 · by **skrip00** » 13 Aug 2006, 21:37

Where you hearing this? Other forums or something?

boff180 · by **boff180** » 13 Aug 2006, 21:53

Its doing the rumour mills on a number of forums.... however its also doing the rumour mill at RAF Coningsby (17sqn and typhoons RAF home) which is where I heard it last time I paid a visit

(that was in April, works stopped me making my fortnightly visits to the area since).

Certain pilots are bragging left right and centre about the wvr engagements but when you ask them about bvr.... they shut up lol.

Andy

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 14 Aug 2006, 00:38

Personally, I would love to see the US Military get more modern Aggressors. Yet, I don't seeing it happan anytime soon! Just not in the budget and with many friendly nation already flying the type what is the need?

asiatrails · by **asiatrails** » 14 Aug 2006, 01:55

skrip00 wrote:When you fly an F-22A or Typhoon... sneaking off to fly the other is kinda like sneaking out on your young, hot, wild, wife with another young, hot, wild, hottie.

I yam what I yam

skrip00 · by **skrip00** » 14 Aug 2006, 03:23

Well, I do agree. An F-22A without HOBS wont do quite well in WVR against an aircraft that does.

But the F-22A will be getting the HMS system from the F-35 in any eventuality. And it is currently AIM-9X capable. (One of the driving reasons behind the AIM-9X was having shorter fins and control surfaces as to better fit into the F-22A's chine bays).

skrip00 · by **skrip00** » 14 Aug 2006, 06:49

Also, doesnt the F-22A have the edge in a knife (no missile) fight? Out of the two, its the only one with a working gun...

cru · by **cru** » 14 Aug 2006, 07:54

Yep, the Raptor and Tiffy are playing right now. I believe they're doing combat air manuver stuff... basically dogfighting to get a feel for the fighters and figure out strengths and weaknesses, and before you say anything. The Tiffy is doing pretty well in knife-fights because it has JHMCS and the Raptor doesn't. I'm betting the Raptor is eating the Tiffy's lunch in BVR because... well it was designed to and do it's job better than was required.

The EF has the Head Equipment Assembly (HEA) based on the HMSS "Striker", not the JHMCS...

In WVR the Typhoon is currently winning the majority of engagements as they are almost equal in manouverability terms (f-22 superior in instantaneous) however Typhoon is carrying hobs where as F-22 currently is not.

keep dreaming...

Also the F-22 is winning the vast majority (but not all) of the BVR engagements. Which is as expected. However, on atleast one occasion the Typhoon has been reported to have detected, tracked and locked an F-22 at 80km! It is believed that the F-22 was carrying external tanks at the time though.

The EF detected the Raptor only when this one had a device that increases the RCS turned on, in order to be seen by trafic radars...

idesof · by **idesof** » 14 Aug 2006, 07:56

boff180 wrote:Thats what ive been hearing...

The Typhoons (2 of them coded AA and AC from 17Sqn) were originally there purely for EW testing work on an indefinate detachment. However due to the fact the USAF have nothing that can give it a run for its money at any range, they have been paying the RAF for the Typhoons to provide dissimilar combat training for the F-22.

In WVR the Typhoon is currently winning the majority of engagements as they are almost equal in manouverability terms (f-22 superior in instantaneous) however Typhoon is carrying hobs where as F-22 currently is not. Giving it a major advantage. Once (if ever) F-22 gets hobs, things should be pretty even.

Also the F-22 is winning the vast majority (but not all) of the BVR engagements. Which is as expected. However, on atleast one occasion the Typhoon has been reported to have detected, tracked and locked an F-22 at 80km! It is believed that the F-22 was carrying external tanks at the time though.

Incidently this has been further fuelling the rumour that the USAF are looking at purchasing/leasing a number of Typhoon to form an agressor unit.

Andy

The F-22 are in no sense almost equal in WVR maneuverability. When someone else other than a brit can corroborate these wild statements, then I will believe him or her. Until then, chalk it up to Royal jingoism.