Pentagon announces BRAC list

NewsBot · by **NewsBot** » 13 May 2005, 15:30

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Roscoe · by **Roscoe** » 13 May 2005, 15:30

Also see: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/base_closings_list" target="new" rel="follow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/base_closings_list</a>

Note Cannon AFB is on the list. So is Ellsworth (Not Viper related). Some Guard hits but don't remember which have Vipers anymore

Jon · by **Jon** » 13 May 2005, 15:30

Just Cannon AFB to close for F-16 units is that right?

I see Niagara Falls is losing its ANG unit, times will be tough there as I know it is a key employer.

JoeBag · by **JoeBag** » 13 May 2005, 15:49

Looks like the 177th NJ devils come out of this ok. How about the buys from Syracuse?? I'm with Willow Grove crewing A-10's and they are on the list to close!

schecter75 · by **schecter75** » 13 May 2005, 15:56

Cannon is the only ADAF unit on the list with F-16's that I saw. Can't say I'de be sorry to see that place go. I spent my first three and a half years in the AF there working AR shop on F-111's. Loved the planes, loved the job, hated the location. Something is wrong when you have to drive through a green cloud of airborn fecal matter to get to work. Just my 2 cents.

sciafer · by **sciafer** » 13 May 2005, 16:10

My two cents here but i bet Holloman will be getting crowded here real soon......

Jon · by **Jon** » 13 May 2005, 16:29

JoeBag:
Syrause is not listed because no changes, so good news for the 138th FS.

Also keep in mind, the list needs to be approaved. For F-16 units, unless you are Cannon, things came out better then expected.

TenguNoHi · by **TenguNoHi** » 13 May 2005, 16:45

I dont see Springfield ANG listed and it looks like Toledo gains, so thats good!

-Aaron

Jon · by **Jon** » 13 May 2005, 16:58

TengueNoHi

Springfield ANG base is located at Springfield-Beckley Municipal Airport and is on the list, but as Realign. If it isn't on the list, no changes, ie 138th FS from Syracus NY ANG.

NVGdude · by **NVGdude** » 13 May 2005, 17:11

Jon wrote:Just Cannon AFB to close for F-16 units is that right?

I see Niagara Falls is losing its ANG unit, times will be tough there as I know it is a key employer.

Luke is schedualed for realignment, looks like they are loosing about a squadrons worth. No details though.

I'm at AFRL which is schedualed to close though :-(

-Mark

TenguNoHi · by **TenguNoHi** » 13 May 2005, 18:26

Springfield ANG base is located at Springfield-Beckley Municipal Airport and is on the list, but as Realign. If it isn't on the list, no changes, ie 138th FS from Syracus NY ANG.

Thanks Jon, I don't know how I missed it. I was sure I checked twice. What exactly does "realignment" mean anyways? Restructuring the orginization and stuff? Cutting loose threads that arent really useful anymore?

Thanks,

-Aaron

MKopack · by **MKopack** » 13 May 2005, 18:48

Here is the definition of 'Realignment' from the <a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">DOD's BRAC website</a>:

Realignment

Includes any action that both reduces and relocates functions and civilian personnel positions, but does not include a reduction in force resulting from workload adjustments, reduced personnel or funding levels, or skill imbalances.

I see that Pope AFB (only about 30mi from home for me, and an ex-F-16 base) is going to lose 5900 military and 350 civilian personnel (and gain another 1100 military and 1100 civilians) that seems like a big loss in headcount, any ideas what changes could be in store there? Other than the airlift wing I don't know what would have nearly that many people there.

Mike

EriktheF16462 · by **EriktheF16462** » 13 May 2005, 19:19

ViperCC · by **ViperCC** » 13 May 2005, 19:34

The BRAC list is out and it includes quite a few F-16 movements in addition to Cannon closing.
This is from the official BRAC recommendations at http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/vol_I_p ... and_2.html

188 FW to lose F-16s (7 acft to 144 FW and 8 acft to retire)
56 FW to retire block 25 (13 acft) and block 42 (24 acft)
944 FW to lose F-16s (11 acft to 144 FW)
127 WG to retire F-16s and convert to A-10 (15 acft)
366 FW to distribute its F-16s (9 acft to 169 FW, 5 acft to 57 WG, and 4 acft to backup inventory)
183 FW to lose F-16s (15 acft to 122 FW)
181 FW to lose F-16s (9 acft to 122 FW and 6 acft to retire)
122 FW to retire current acft and gain acft from 181 FW and 183 FW
177 FW to lose F-16s (3 acft to 158 FW and 12 acft to retire). Transition to F-15
148 FW to retire its acft (15)
119 FW to retire its acft (15)
120 FW to lose F-16s (3 acft to 187 FW, 3 acft to 132 FW, 9 acft to retire)
178 FW to lose F-16s (9 acft to 132 FW, 3 acft to 140 FW, 6 acft to 149 FW)
147 FW to lose F-16s (15 acft to retire)
419 FW to lose F-16s and associate with 388 FW (6 acft to 482 FW and 9 acft to 301 FW)
192 FW to lose F-16s and associate with 1 FW (6 acft to 132 FW and 3 acft to 482 FW and 6 acft to backup inventory)

RacerOne · by **RacerOne** » 13 May 2005, 20:50

Long time lurker first post,

Viper CC,
Your post says the 181st is to lose it's F-16's, Doesn't that pretty much shut down the base at Terre Haute (HUF)?

Thanks