F-16 crashes at Utah Test and Training Range - May 4th 2012
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Hi all,
Does any of You know the squadron and serial no. involved in this accident, please?!
Cheers,
Henrik.
Does any of You know the squadron and serial no. involved in this accident, please?!
Cheers,
Henrik.
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Thank You all!!
From the 421st FS I believe - allthough the database says the 34th FS?!
Cheers,
Henrik.
From the 421st FS I believe - allthough the database says the 34th FS?!
Cheers,
Henrik.
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deadseal wrote:its a widow jet. you guys may want to update the database. the rams closed awhile ago and the widows and funyuns picked up a the jets
That´s true, deadseal - the South Dakota ANG received a mix of jets from all three squadrons at Hill when they converted to Block-40s in 2010, as the 34th FS stood down.
Now the 4th and 421st FSs - and the 466th "associate" -have a total of nearly 60 aircraft.
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Henrik.
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deadseal wrote:its a widow jet. you guys may want to update the database. the rams closed awhile ago and the widows and funyuns picked up a the jets
Database updated. Anyone got a date for the transfer.
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Asif wrote:deadseal wrote:its a widow jet. you guys may want to update the database. the rams closed awhile ago and the widows and funyuns picked up a the jets
Database updated. Anyone got a date for the transfer.
Asif,
I believe she was transferred as the 34th closed down in 2010.
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Henrik.
I have a pic from April 2010 of it with a spiderweb on a multi colored flash.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eor1/4558157182/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eor1/4558157182/
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http://www.startribune.com/nation/16879 ... ml?refer=y
Air Force: Engine failure caused F-16C Falcon to crash in Utah training range; pilot ejected
Updated: September 6, 2012 - 1:35 PM
NORFOLK, Va. - A fighter plane crashed during a training mission in Utah this May because of an engine failure that possibly could have been avoided if inspectors had noticed an anomaly in a fan blade when it was installed in 2004, according to an Air Force report released Thursday.
Air Force: Engine failure caused F-16C Falcon to crash in Utah training range; pilot ejected
Updated: September 6, 2012 - 1:35 PM
NORFOLK, Va. - A fighter plane crashed during a training mission in Utah this May because of an engine failure that possibly could have been avoided if inspectors had noticed an anomaly in a fan blade when it was installed in 2004, according to an Air Force report released Thursday.
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Gamera wrote:http://www.startribune.com/nation/168790886.html?refer=y
Air Force: Engine failure caused F-16C Falcon to crash in Utah training range; pilot ejected
Updated: September 6, 2012 - 1:35 PM
NORFOLK, Va. - A fighter plane crashed during a training mission in Utah this May because of an engine failure that possibly could have been avoided if inspectors had noticed an anomaly in a fan blade when it was installed in 2004, according to an Air Force report released Thursday.
Could/should this anomaly have been detected during 8 subsequent years of post flight and periodic maintenance inspections? Not throwing stones just curious about what can be seen looking down the intake.
Also, is 8 years of installation normal for an Viper motor?
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Engines can be completelly fine for a long time, then suddenly what started as a little crack can be a major problem as in this instance. So in one way, you are correct it MAY have been something that should have been discovered - or on the other hand it may not have been. Difficult to say without more details on what the problem with the fan blade was.
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ruderamronbo wrote:Gamera wrote:http://www.startribune.com/nation/168790886.html?refer=y
Air Force: Engine failure caused F-16C Falcon to crash in Utah training range; pilot ejected
Updated: September 6, 2012 - 1:35 PM
NORFOLK, Va. - A fighter plane crashed during a training mission in Utah this May because of an engine failure that possibly could have been avoided if inspectors had noticed an anomaly in a fan blade when it was installed in 2004, according to an Air Force report released Thursday.
Could/should this anomaly have been detected during 8 subsequent years of post flight and periodic maintenance inspections? Not throwing stones just curious about what can be seen looking down the intake.
Also, is 8 years of installation normal for an Viper motor?
They are saying the fan blade was installed 8 years ago. I'm pretty sure the engine didn't stay in the jet that long. It would have been borescoped multiple times for inspections. I don't think they CT Scan complete engines routinely, although I've seen it done with a bizjet engine by a university. Even a 2D X-Ray of a fan disk might help, but again it would be very expensive to do outside depot overhaul interval.
This has to be balanced with the cost of replacing a $30-$60m F-16 after the pilot ejects out. There have been cases of F-16s doing a successful engine-out landing.
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Some cracks are just real hard to see, and sometimes impossible with out xray or die penatrent.
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Here is a timeline of the F-16 mishap a few weeks ago in Utah. For all those who consider the risk of a single engine failure low, they still do happen with some regularity. This one did not allow the aircraft to recover to a nearby airfield:
"Zero Seconds: Engine explodes.
Plus 5 Seconds: “Troll 12’s emergency.”
Plus 18 Seconds: Aircraft Number “2 just lost the motor, heading out west towards Eagle” range, flat and desolate, away from mountains.
Plus 46 Seconds: Attempting “second restart now, looks like it’s not going anywhere. I felt a pretty big bang.”
Plus 77 seconds: “Passing 6000 [Mean Sea Level, about 2,000 feet above the ground] now, motor’s still at 30% [RPM], I’m getting out.”
Plus 96 seconds: Canopy warning light illuminates, indicating ejection."
Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/09/11/96-se ... z26AUaMfhI
"Zero Seconds: Engine explodes.
Plus 5 Seconds: “Troll 12’s emergency.”
Plus 18 Seconds: Aircraft Number “2 just lost the motor, heading out west towards Eagle” range, flat and desolate, away from mountains.
Plus 46 Seconds: Attempting “second restart now, looks like it’s not going anywhere. I felt a pretty big bang.”
Plus 77 seconds: “Passing 6000 [Mean Sea Level, about 2,000 feet above the ground] now, motor’s still at 30% [RPM], I’m getting out.”
Plus 96 seconds: Canopy warning light illuminates, indicating ejection."
Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/09/11/96-se ... z26AUaMfhI
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