Norway to reduce F-35 order?

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Unread post27 Feb 2021, 01:25

Here you are:
loke wrote:The Air Force has explained that the F-35 requires more than the F-16 for support, safety and support systems to plan and carry out missions and analyze them afterwards. Among other things, the so-called safety footprint is staff-intensive.



So and like some already mentioned here in the past, one of the main reasons why the F-35 requires "more support personnel" than the F-16 is related with security (F-35 being the most advanced, stealth and "top-secret" fighter aircraft).

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Unread post18 Mar 2021, 17:56

Three additional F-35s from Ørland Airport will be stationed at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, USA, to increase the training capacity of Norwegian fighter pilots until the autumn of 2023.

This is part of the Air Force's plan to increase the training of fighter pilots at the same time as the conversions of pilots from F-16 to F-35 continue.

- It is necessary to add three more aircraft to the department at Luke to ensure that we have the necessary number of fighter pilots at FOC in 2025, but just as important also for the time after FOC, says Major General Tonje Skinnarland, Chief of the Air Force.

FOC (Full Operational Capability) simply means that the entire F-35 fleet is up and running, and in full operation according to task solution and operation.

Read the full translated post here:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.forsvaret.no/aktuelt-og-presse/aktuelt/oker-utdanningskapasiteten-pa-luke
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Unread post18 Mar 2021, 18:16

lamoey wrote:Three additional F-35s from Ørland Airport will be stationed at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, USA, to increase the training capacity of Norwegian fighter pilots until the autumn of 2023.

This is part of the Air Force's plan to increase the training of fighter pilots at the same time as the conversions of pilots from F-16 to F-35 continue.

- It is necessary to add three more aircraft to the department at Luke to ensure that we have the necessary number of fighter pilots at FOC in 2025, but just as important also for the time after FOC, says Major General Tonje Skinnarland, Chief of the Air Force.

FOC (Full Operational Capability) simply means that the entire F-35 fleet is up and running, and in full operation according to task solution and operation.

Read the full translated post here:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.forsvaret.no/aktuelt-og-presse/aktuelt/oker-utdanningskapasiteten-pa-luke



great update! Thank you 8)
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Unread post18 Mar 2021, 19:39

At first Norway planed for 4 F-35 at Luke, then they moved to 7 F-35, and now they need to increase to 10 F-35.
It's a bit strange, and one have to ask the following. Have they lost more pilot's to airlines than planed? I don't think so with covid for a year. Do they get less hours in the air from the F-35 than they planed for? Anyone care to make a guess?

And some good news - Development of the THOR-ER(Tactical High-speed Offensive Ramjet for Extended Range) goes as planed, and they will fly in about 3 years from now.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Ar ... hnologies/
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Unread post18 Mar 2021, 19:48

pron wrote:At first Norway planed for 4 F-35 at Luke, then they moved to 7 F-35, and now they need to increase to 10 F-35.
It's a bit strange, and one have to ask the following. Have they lost more pilot's to airlines than planed? I don't think so with covid for a year. Do they get less hours in the air from the F-35 than they planed for? Anyone care to make a guess?

And som good news - Development of the THOR-ER(Tactical High-speed Offensive Ramjet for Extended Range) goes as planed, and they will fly in about 3 years from now.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Ar ... hnologies/



We can build F-35s faster than we can build pilots is my first thought
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Unread post18 Mar 2021, 23:31

pron wrote:At first Norway planed for 4 F-35 at Luke, then they moved to 7 F-35, and now they need to increase to 10 F-35.
It's a bit strange, and one have to ask the following. Have they lost more pilot's to airlines than planed? I don't think so with covid for a year. Do they get less hours in the air from the F-35 than they planed for? Anyone care to make a guess?

And some good news - Development of the THOR-ER(Tactical High-speed Offensive Ramjet for Extended Range) goes as planed, and they will fly in about 3 years from now.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Ar ... hnologies/


Likely needed to get over the hump converting Viper pilots, now that the Panther will shortly take of our rapid response from the Vipers.
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Unread post25 Mar 2021, 20:49

And it's a wrap for their QRA deployment. Video in the link... https://twitter.com/Luftforsvaret/statu ... 8872709120
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Unread post29 Mar 2021, 22:58

Norwegian F-35s Complete NATO Deployment to Iceland
Story by Allied Air Command Public Affairs Office based on information provided by the Norwegian F-35 detachment Public Affairs Officer

"RAMSTEIN, Germany - The Royal Norwegian Air Force fighter detachment has wrapped up the second deployment of the F-35 fighter aircraft to executed NATO’s Air Policing mission in Iceland.

For four weeks the detachment personnel have worked with the Icelandic Coast Guard at Keflavik Air Base, Iceland, and NATO’s Combined Air Operations Centre at Uedem, Germany, to safeguard Allied airspace in the High North.

For Quick Reaction Alert operations, the F-35 plays this role in exactly the same way as the F-16 Norway has used so far; however, the F-35 can do so much more, and the aircraft gives the pilot a much better understanding of the situation

“We have gained very useful experience related to the transfer of the weapon system F-35 with the implementation of operations and maintenance of Quick Reaction Alert from an outdoor base over time,” says Lieutenant Colonel Tron Strand, detachment commander for NATO air policing mission in Iceland.

"For Quick Reaction Alert operations, the F-35 plays this role in exactly the same way as the F-16 Norway has used so far; however, the F-35 can do so much more, and the aircraft gives the pilot a much better understanding of the situation,” said Lieutenant Colonel Strand. “The F-35 represents the future, and the aircraft is clearly necessary to be able to meet tomorrow's threats,” he added.

NATO’s Allied Air Command oversees the Air Policing mission for all European NATO Allies through its two Combined Air Operations Centres in Spain and Germany. Allied Air Command also works with the Allied Air Forces to integrate modern aircraft like the F-35 into NATO Air Power. Iceland is one example of this."

Source: https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-featur ... eland.html
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Unread post29 Mar 2021, 23:02

For the First Time, Norwegian F-35s Used in "Red Flag"
27 Mar 2021 Norwegian Armed Forces via LM PR

"Four Norwegian F-35 aircraft, Norwegian pilots and associated Norwegian technicians participate in one of the world's largest air exercises. "Red-Flag" is a two-week "Advanced Aerial Combat Training Exercise" conducted by the US Air Force.

The Norwegian aircraft, pilots and technicians are part of the 62 Fighter Squadron, which trains Norwegian, Italian and American F-35 pilots on a daily basis. The squadron is stationed at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. About 2,500 people from different countries participate in the exercise. The United States, Singapore, Sweden, and seven other NATO countries are represented.

[b]One of the Norwegian "B-course students" (B-course is type check on F-35 and tactical qualification) has almost finished a 9-month training course to be certified as an F-35 pilot[/b]. He says that being able to participate in the Red Flag has been very good, and that the exercise has provided invaluable experience. No other arena provides this type of training and experience.

The complexity and tactical challenge you face under Red Flag is not exposed to anywhere else in peacetime, says the pilot.

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The head of the Norwegian department at the base and Senior National Representative (SNR), Lieutenant Colonel Christoffer "Ivo" Eriksen, is very pleased with the dividend and implementation.

The exercise has had great value for both participants and for the Air Force as a whole. It also sends clear signals about the important partnership between the nations in the F-35 program, where we stand together to deliver air power in the right place, at the right time, with the right effect, says Eriksen.

He further says that being able to send home newly trained pilots who have already been through such advanced exercises as Red-Flag, is a bonus that will benefit the Air Force in the future.

"Red-Flag" was first conducted in 1975. The goal of the exercise is to provide realistic "Air Combat Training" for military pilots and crew members from the United States and other allied countries. The exercise will give pilots their first "combat sorties" before they actually fly in war.

Participation in Red Flag is something that will also be a priority in the years to come, in order to train the best possible F-35 pilots for the Air Force, Eriksen concludes."

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Unread post01 Apr 2021, 09:29

KONGSBERG SIGNS NEW AGREEMENT TO SUPPLY F-35 PROGRAM
01 Apr 2021 ADM

"Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace (KDA) has signed a new agreement with Lockheed Martin worth $260 million for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program production lots 15-17.

The agreement includes delivery of the F-35 rudders, Vertical Leading Edges and Main Landing Gear Closeout panels for more than 500 aircraft. Production of these parts will continue through 2025.

“This latest contract is a reflection of Kongsberg’s long lasting partnership and support of the F-35 program,” Terje Bråthen, EVP Aerostructures at KDA, said. “The F-35 production program is now at full rate production and this contract secures work for the next four years, as well as positioning us for continued participation in future production lots.”

According to Lockheed Martin, Norwegian industry provides components including air-toair pylons, rudder and vertical fin leading edges, carbon composite panels, and completed and coated horizontal and vertical tails to the global program. Eighteen Norwegian companies have served as Tier 1 F-35 suppliers with nine currently active.

In March last year, Norway’s F-35s were scrambled for the first time to intercept Russian maritime reconnaissance and ASW aircraft, which regularly conduct flights towards strategic maritime chokepoints in the North Atlantic.

Norway intends to operate a full fleet of 52 F-35s by 2025, which are a variant aircraft that includes a drag chute to assist in icy landings."

Source: Australian Defence Magazine 01 April 2021
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spazsinbad wrote:
Norwegian F-35s Complete NATO Deployment to Iceland
Story by Allied Air Command Public Affairs Office based on information provided by the Norwegian F-35 detachment Public Affairs Officer

"RAMSTEIN, Germany - The Royal Norwegian Air Force fighter detachment has wrapped up the second deployment of the F-35 fighter aircraft to executed NATO’s Air Policing mission in Iceland.

For four weeks the detachment personnel have worked with the Icelandic Coast Guard at Keflavik Air Base, Iceland, and NATO’s Combined Air Operations Centre at Uedem, Germany, to safeguard Allied airspace in the High North.

For Quick Reaction Alert operations, the F-35 plays this role in exactly the same way as the F-16 Norway has used so far; however, the F-35 can do so much more, and the aircraft gives the pilot a much better understanding of the situation

“We have gained very useful experience related to the transfer of the weapon system F-35 with the implementation of operations and maintenance of Quick Reaction Alert from an outdoor base over time,” says Lieutenant Colonel Tron Strand, detachment commander for NATO air policing mission in Iceland.

"For Quick Reaction Alert operations, the F-35 plays this role in exactly the same way as the F-16 Norway has used so far; however, the F-35 can do so much more, and the aircraft gives the pilot a much better understanding of the situation,” said Lieutenant Colonel Strand. “The F-35 represents the future, and the aircraft is clearly necessary to be able to meet tomorrow's threats,” he added.

NATO’s Allied Air Command oversees the Air Policing mission for all European NATO Allies through its two Combined Air Operations Centres in Spain and Germany. Allied Air Command also works with the Allied Air Forces to integrate modern aircraft like the F-35 into NATO Air Power. Iceland is one example of this."

Source: https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-featur ... eland.html

I found the Norwegian version of the article. It looks like some parts are omitted in f35.com. 8)
https://www.forsvaret.no/aktuelt-og-pre ... nd-er-over (Language is Norwegian. Use Google Translate.)
Three weeks of NATO preparedness in Iceland are over
- We have gained useful experience related to the transfer of the weapon system F-35 with the implementation of operations and maintenance of Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) from an outdoor base over time, says Tron Strand, Head of Department for Iceland Air Policing (IAP).
PUBLISHED 24 MAR 2021 Text: Stian Roen

The detachment commander is clear that the F-35 is well suited to carry out the QRA mission.
- The F-35 represents the future and the aircraft is clearly necessary to be able to meet tomorrow's threats and assert sovereignty over Norwegian airspace in the coming decades. The F-35 is a highly capable aircraft that surpasses the F-16 in all areas. For QRA operations, the F-35 plays this role in exactly the same way as the F-16. But the F-35 can do so much more, and the aircraft gives the pilot a much better understanding of the situation, says Strand.

F-35 is surpasses the F-16 in all areas !!(!?) :doh:
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