Russia to develop VTOL fighter

[tincansailor]

They still have light hull sections in the bow and stern, which house main ballast tanks and provide a hydrodynamically optimized shape, but the main cylindrical hull section has only a single plating layer.

And those are basically fairings with relatively little structural strength. If you check the nose of the San Francisco underwater collision, you can see that the nose fairing was obliterated while the pressure hull was intact.

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These fairings don't cover the entire submarine but only certain sections. For example, the Ohios have one encasing the upper ends of the missile tubes.

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The -688s have one between the nose and forward end of the pressure hull that can be seen here:

I stand corrected. I thought the light casing or fairings covered the whole hull, your correct they don't. I never suggested they were any type of armor, like the Russian doubles hulls. They serve the function I said they did. They protect the ballast tanks, arrays, and other equipment mounted outside the pressure hull, and maintain the hull shape. I've seen the picture of San Francisco before. Hitting an underwater mountain at flank speed with the pressure hull fully intact is an impressive test, that no one wanted to take.

[zerion]

They're gonna build a super duper carrier.

Aircraft Carrier Basic Design Submitted to Russian Defence Ministry

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... istry.html

[SpudmanWP]

So... The basically are ripping off the QE class and making it bigger.

[sprstdlyscottsmn]

Russian MO right?

[popcorn]

Russian CVN making progress, graduating from vaporware to brochureware and has now in the modelware stage.

[SpudmanWP]

Small & made out of plastic.. Sounds like Tupperware to me.

[white_lightning35]

What are they hoping to accomplish? I thought aircraft carriers are useless floating targets? Just like stealth aircraft. AND THE RUSSIANS ARE BUILDING THOSE, TOO! Are only stronk mighty Russian designs viable?

On another note, what are they hoping to accomplish? To challenge the USN? There's a big difference between saying you will lob some missiles at US carriers, and establishing sea dominance, or at least ensuring your surface fleet isn't wiped out in a few hours. If Nato carriers are vulnerable, what will that make the mighty stronk Russian one?

[tincansailor]

What are they hoping to accomplish? I thought aircraft carriers are useless floating targets? Just like stealth aircraft. AND THE RUSSIANS ARE BUILDING THOSE, TOO! Are only stronk mighty Russian designs viable?

On another note, what are they hoping to accomplish? To challenge the USN? There's a big difference between saying you will lob some missiles at US carriers, and establishing sea dominance, or at least ensuring your surface fleet isn't wiped out in a few hours. If Nato carriers are vulnerable, what will that make the mighty stronk Russian one?

Good analysis. Russia always mocked aircraft carriers because they couldn't afford, or build them. When they could build them, they were they were really through deck cruisers. Now there early efforts, at true carriers. But building a fleet of one is only a prestige unit. They don't have the reactors, and they've never operated catapults. They need a minimum of four for an effective fleet, and they don't have the money, or ship yards to build them in the next 20 years.

[spazsinbad]

Here ya go - here is the ideal painted nonuseful deck - even sailors in their tighty whities for gorsake - what more....?

Russia may build 115,000-tonne aircraft carriers by 2020


"MOSCOW, September 5. /TASS/. The Russian industry will be able to build aircraft carriers having a displacement of 110,000-115,000 tonnes by 2020, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on the Rossiya-24 round-the-clock TV news channel on Tuesday.

"When we build new shipyards and a huge dry dock in the Far East, if there is such a contract, it will be possible to create an aircraft carrier having a displacement of 110,000-115,000 tonnes. We will be capable of doing that starting from 2020," Rogozin said....

...The Russian Navy earlier said the Russian fleet hoped to get a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier by the end of 2030. Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said the contract for building an aircraft carrier might be signed by the end of 2025. And Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said a sketch project of what may become Russia’s aircraft carrier of the future had been presented to the Defense Ministry."

PHOTO: "© Andrei Luzik/Russian Navy Northern Fleet Press Office/TASS https://phototass1.cdnvideo.ru/width/74 ... 176552.jpg

Source: http://tass.com/defense/963756

[juretrn]

I normally wouldn't post this, but the stupidity level is just too high.
The joys of Youtube comments:
(please excuse the awkward language, it's translated by Google from Russian.

reading that this is not an airfield, there is always the probability of an airplane falling into the sea. The Russian Federation has one aircraft carrier. For the year, 3 planes fell. The US has 11 aircraft carriers. For the year, 14 aircraft fell. But from one carrier of the Russian Federation for the year, more departures were made than from 11 US aircraft carriers combined.

Can you handle the stupidity? I can't.

[mixelflick]

So back to the topic at hand..

I say no new VTOL fighter, no way. They're going to be lucky getting a navalised SU-57 on a new/existing carrier, nevermind a dedicated VTOL fighter.

Where are the rubles going to come from?

[white_lightning35]

So they're going to build 100,000+ ton carriers, and they're developing VTOL fighters. Does that mean they'll be making a stovl supercarrier? Or are they building extra amphibious ships and developing a brand-new carrier fighter, like a navalized su-57? I'm betting on none of the above.....

[nutshell]

What they mean is clearly a STOVL version of a 5th gen Carrier.

A 100.000 ton carrier that can operate from the DECK of the Admiral Kuznetsov.

Crazy engine development from the russians, i swear.

No need for much money since its going to be cheaper than Roman Abramovich's 500+ feet super yacht.

[tincansailor]

I don't see the point in building a 100,000 ton nuclear supercarrier, that can only operate VTOL aircraft. There's nothing super about it. IMHO the British made a mistake with no Cats & Traps on their new carriers. F-35Cs with their superior range, and payload would have been more effective for both CAP, and strike missions. Also a VTOL carrier is unable to employing EW aircraft like the E-2D. I don't think any helicopter mounted system could compete with an AWACS aircraft like the Hawkeye.

[milosh]

They aren't making super carrier, that was "Russia stronk" news. In reality Zvezda mega shipyard will building tankers for long time. Zvezda second dry dock is for 40.000 tons. I would expect they will use it to overhaul third Kirov and then start building new carrier.