F-35 Flares dispensers size and Perdix drone

eloise · by **eloise** » 09 Dec 2020, 11:34

I heard that Perdix drone can be fit inside the aircraft flares dispenser and it allegedly dropped from F-16 flares dispenser in test but after I checked the size of various type of flares, their width range from 1 inches to maximum of 2.5 inches which are all smaller than Perdix propeller span and body width of 2.6 inches. So how can Perdix fit inside a normal flares dispenser ?
Secondly, is there a fixed size for each slot inside a flares dispenser or is it customizable? and is there any estimation for F-35 flares/chaff dispenser dimension?

eloise · by **eloise** » 12 Dec 2020, 04:31

I found something, Perdix and fit inside MJU-10/B slot. MJU-10/B currently used by F-15, C-130 and F-22. MJU-10/B can be launched from ALE-40, ALE-45 and ALE-52 flare dispenser. The next task is to find out which ALE dispenser used on F-35

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 12 Dec 2020, 04:47

“The ALE-70 Towed Decoy is a countermeasures dispenser system designed to fit into the F-35 (JSF) aircraft. The ALE-70 provides aircraft self-protection against radar guided missiles....” http://www.dtic.mil/procurement/Y2017/A ... B_2017.pdf (134Kb)

A GOOD 'SWP' URL: viewtopic.php?f=62&t=50951&p=354377&hilit=procurement+dtic#p354377

Electronic Weapons: Little Buddy Goes Stealthy
03 Jul 2020 StrategyPage

"The United States has developed and installed a version of the ALE-50 towed decoy system for use in F-35 stealth aircraft. The ALE-50 system is normally carried on one of the wing hardpoints and is a long circular canister that deploys the decoy that remains attached to the aircraft via a long cable. The ALE-50 can deceive surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles using a variety of electronic signals that can be controlled by the tethering aircraft's electronic warfare defense system.

In use since the 1990s, ALE-50 first proved its worth over Kosovo in 1999. The F-35 was originally designed without it, but a British defense manufacturer developed the ALE-70 just for the F-35 and this version can be carried internally in a compartment separate from the internal bomb bay. The U.S. Air Force has ordered ALE-70 and at least one foreign F-35 user (Australia) has ordered it. While the F-35 is indeed quite stealthy it is not invisible. F-35 engines put out a lot of heat that can be detected, while many ground-based air defense systems use passive (no radar signals) sensors using visual or thermal sensors to spot an F-35. While the F-35 also uses a lot of passive sensors, once spotted and targeted by missiles the ALE-70 can be a lifesaver.

Each ALE-50s cost about $22,000 and are stored and deployed from a sealed canister with a ten-year shelf life. They are built into the larger ALQ-184(V)9 ECM (Electronic Countermeasures pod carried by aircraft that do not have extensive internal ECM systems. ALE-70 is more expensive because of its special installation needs. ALE-50 continues to be useful and pilots refer to it as their “little buddy”. A more advanced version, ALE-55, is being developed. The ALE-55 is able to detect radar-guided anti-aircraft missiles, analyze the radar signal and emit the most effective signal to deceive the incoming missile and protect the tethered aircraft."

Source: https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htecm ... 00702.aspx

eloise · by **eloise** » 12 Dec 2020, 04:54

spazsinbad wrote:
“The ALE-70 Towed Decoy is a countermeasures dispenser system designed to fit into the F-35 (JSF) aircraft. The ALE-70 provides aircraft self-protection against radar guided missiles....” http://www.dtic.mil/procurement/Y2017/A ... B_2017.pdf (134Kb)

That one is the fiber optic towed decoy, I want to find the ALE-XX for the chaff/flares dispenser

Like these:
ALE-45

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ALE-47

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spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 12 Dec 2020, 05:08

http://www.sibat.mod.gov.il/Industries/ ... 015_16.pdf (44Mb)

ASLO (yes I know) here: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=55197&p=421476&hilit=sibat#p421476

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 13 Feb 2021, 04:43

FLARE decoy Dutch F-35A Combat Aircraft Jun 2019 photo.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 14 Feb 2021, 12:30

“F-35s from the USAF 62nd FS from Luke AFB and the Royal Netherland Air Force (RNLAF).
PHOTO: Matt Short” ISnAP August 2019

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 19 Feb 2021, 00:32

Video Screenshot shows CHAFF & FLARES in a sub portal of the PCD Panoramic Cockpit Display of the F-35 from luvly enGadget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyCzT6sB_4

Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Stealth Fighter Cockpit Demonstrator Hands-On 17 Jul 2012