F-35 vs China J-20 (or J-16)

[gta4]

Found this interesting post at:
https://twitter.com/NonCRDDefence/statu ... 0674837504

Seems like an extraction from a Chinese document. The type the PLA aircraft is blurred out intentionally. Someone in comment section says it's J-16 and someone says it's J-20. Either way, it proves that the F-35 is more than capable of out-maneuvering some highly maneuverable Chinese/Russian designs.

[viperzerof-2]

I’m not really surprised. I suspect basically all current J-20 are severely underpowered even without having realistic weight figures.

[disconnectedradical]

Found this interesting post at:
https://twitter.com/NonCRDDefence/statu ... 0674837504

Seems like an extraction from a Chinese document. The type the PLA aircraft is blurred out intentionally. Someone in comment section says it's J-16 and someone says it's J-20. Either way, it proves that the F-35 is more than capable of out-maneuvering some highly maneuverable Chinese/Russian designs.

The document censors the actual aircraft type, But based on the unit that the document came from, it's most likely a J-16 squadron. Once you're defensive it's hard to shake off an opponent, similar to how when Russian Su-27s visited the US in the 1990s, one of the pilots decided to get behind an F-15, who couldn't shake him off in a short amount of time.

That's the benefit of the F-35 and F-22 stealth, because they can often choose when to attack and be on the offensive.

[jessmo112]

F-35 numbers drop to 50 per year, J-20 150.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/07/2 ... ps-to-120/

Can anyone confirm or deny these numbers. This feels like classic click bate.

Lockheed Martin, the main contractor, and manufacturer of the F-35 fifth-generation fighter, is bracing for a significant financial hit in 2023. Production issues have led to a shortfall of about 50 aircraft, which is expected to cost the firm hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.

[wrightwing]

F-35 numbers drop to 50 per year, J-20 150.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/07/2 ... ps-to-120/

Can anyone confirm or deny these numbers. This feels like classic click bate.

Lockheed Martin, the main contractor, and manufacturer of the F-35 fifth-generation fighter, is bracing for a significant financial hit in 2023. Production issues have led to a shortfall of about 50 aircraft, which is expected to cost the firm hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.

It's a wildly inaccurate statement. They're trying to compare build rates with acceptance rates, first of all. Secondly, the number of F-35s that will have been built in 2023 is not 50 aircraft.

https://www.c4isrnet.com/industry/2023/ ... s-in-2023/

[disconnectedradical]

F-35 numbers drop to 50 per year, J-20 150.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/07/2 ... ps-to-120/

Can anyone confirm or deny these numbers. This feels like classic click bate.

Lockheed Martin, the main contractor, and manufacturer of the F-35 fifth-generation fighter, is bracing for a significant financial hit in 2023. Production issues have led to a shortfall of about 50 aircraft, which is expected to cost the firm hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.

bulgarianmilitary.com is a garbage site that repeats Russian propaganda and should be avoided. Their stuff is easily debunked. In terms of production rate, the F-35 is at about 150 per year while the J-20 is at about 70-90 a year currently.

[weasel1962]

83 annually for us only though (48 for usaf and 35 for the navy).

they are also outproducing legacies.

[gta4]

F-35 numbers drop to 50 per year, J-20 150.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/07/2 ... ps-to-120/

Can anyone confirm or deny these numbers. This feels like classic click bate.

Lockheed Martin, the main contractor, and manufacturer of the F-35 fifth-generation fighter, is bracing for a significant financial hit in 2023. Production issues have led to a shortfall of about 50 aircraft, which is expected to cost the firm hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FitD6Or ... =YvesDulac

F-35 pilots are confident to fight the J-20s outnumbered 3 to 1.

[jessmo112]

Is this the same redacted white paper in the original thread?

https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDef ... ropaganda/

Apparently there is a document floating around in which the Chinese are being honest about capability.

[mixelflick]

This continues the pattern I've seen when it comes to US assessment of Russian/Chinese equipment..

1. We tend to over-estimate how good the Russian hardware is and;
2. We tend to under-estimate the Chinese stuff

Now I will say that whenever I speak with US aviators flying fighters, they near universally mention "we train to a threat level resembling Chinese Flankers", or something similar. When I pressed a little further, I was told that "that threat level is pretty formidable, because they're taking Russian jets which have excellent aerodynamic properties and put Chinese sensors, weapons and E/W gear on them". Which obviously, US aviators regard as superior to their Russian counterparts.

[jessmo112]

The document is blocked out as you can see. I Am impressed that the Chinese seem to be aware of their short comings. This makes them more dangerous than the Russians. Russians seem borderline Delusional about thier gear.

[ricnunes]

The document is blocked out as you can see. I Am impressed that the Chinese seem to be aware of their short comings. This makes them more dangerous than the Russians. Russians seem borderline Delusional about thier gear.

Oh, absolutely!

[wrightwing]

F-35 numbers drop to 50 per year, J-20 150.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/07/2 ... ps-to-120/

Can anyone confirm or deny these numbers. This feels like classic click bate.

Lockheed Martin, the main contractor, and manufacturer of the F-35 fifth-generation fighter, is bracing for a significant financial hit in 2023. Production issues have led to a shortfall of about 50 aircraft, which is expected to cost the firm hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.

It's important to distinguish the numbers. LM isn't building only 50 aircraft. Those are the aircraft delivered. All of the TR3 aircraft are going into storage until they finish the testing/software. TR2 aircraft will be delivered, and upgraded later.

[Scorpion82]

The document is blocked out as you can see. I Am impressed that the Chinese seem to be aware of their short comings. This makes them more dangerous than the Russians. Russians seem borderline Delusional about thier gear.

You shouldn't confuse public babbling with internal assessments. These are two different pairs of shoes.

[jessmo112]

F-35 numbers drop to 50 per year, J-20 150.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/07/2 ... ps-to-120/

Can anyone confirm or deny these numbers. This feels like classic click bate.

Lockheed Martin, the main contractor, and manufacturer of the F-35 fifth-generation fighter, is bracing for a significant financial hit in 2023. Production issues have led to a shortfall of about 50 aircraft, which is expected to cost the firm hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.

It's important to distinguish the numbers. LM isn't building only 50 aircraft. Those are the aircraft delivered. All of the TR3 aircraft are going into storage until they finish the testing/software. TR2 aircraft will be delivered, and upgraded later.

Wrightwing, the F-35 numbers click bate has already been addressed. I'm was talking about the Chinese meeting flight of F-35s over the scs, and finding out, they are behind.