Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

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Unread post12 Aug 2022, 08:55

I really like the fact that we can now be honest and just say that it's Russia and only Russia that's the potential threat to us.
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Unread post12 Aug 2022, 22:00

You never know, maybe Estonia wants to expand to the north, or Sweden retake its former eastern half? :D :roll:
Did you, officially, have to pretend that the enemies could come from anywhere?
Clearer as a NATO member, even if the Greeks could question that, sometimes.
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Unread post14 Aug 2022, 04:40

spad_s.xiii wrote:You never know, maybe Estonia wants to expand to the north, or Sweden retake its former eastern half? :D :roll:


Don't you see it's Åland that's going to declare its independence and invade Finland ? :twisted:
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Unread post15 Aug 2022, 11:29

spad_s.xiii wrote:You never know, maybe Estonia wants to expand to the north, or Sweden retake its former eastern half? :D :roll:
Did you, officially, have to pretend that the enemies could come from anywhere?
Clearer as a NATO member, even if the Greeks could question that, sometimes.


Officially enemies could come from anywhere, although those enemies (called A2 Keltainen or A2 Yellow) always used T-80s, BMPs, BTRs, Sukhois, MiGs etc... :mrgreen:
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Unread post16 Aug 2022, 12:40

hornetfinn wrote:Officially enemies could come from anywhere, although those enemies (called A2 Keltainen or A2 Yellow) always used T-80s, BMPs, BTRs, Sukhois, MiGs etc... :mrgreen:

Pure coincidence. 8)
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Unread post29 Sep 2022, 13:09

Cool in-cockpit video of landing (passthrough) F-18 on a highway at night.
https://twitter.com/FinnishAirForce/sta ... 4812212224
In the #Baana22 exercise, the Joutsa road base has also operated under night flight conditions. The youngest fighter pilots make their first pass to the road base in a two-seater Hornet with a flight instructor, both day and night.
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Unread post29 Sep 2022, 17:19

Thanks 'magitsu'. Do you happen to know the type of glideslope landing aid in use for these road night landings please? TIA. Perhaps nothing but the 'road runway' marked with lights with the threshold marked by that bright orange light?
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Unread post29 Sep 2022, 17:48

Glideslope landing aid for road runways:
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Unread post29 Sep 2022, 18:24

Do you know? How is the runway marked? It appears the threshold is marked by the bright orange light on left side?
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Unread post29 Sep 2022, 18:36

I would imagine that with a HUD they would just hold the FPV in conjunction with the desired FPA line on the desired impact point. Easy peasy. :shock:
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Unread post29 Sep 2022, 18:45

Here's a description from 2018 Baana ex setup (above was 2022 Baana):
The portable ILS (Instrument Landing System) equipment with its calibrations is not installed now, because the operation in Baana is based on satellite navigation and the modern GPS approach method (Global Positioning System).

In addition, normal edge and PAPI sliding angle lights (Precision Approach Path Indicator) were installed on the highway. The brake cable system was not installed this time.


The widenings of our highway network in different parts of the country, which normally serve as emergency landing sites, are transformed into a road base for the Air Force during the Baana exercises. The goal is to practice operations from distributed airports during the crisis. In today's precision weapons era, a fixed peacetime air base is the primary target for enemy strikes.

The responsibility for organizing exercises bearing the Baana name rotates between the Air Force Commands. Now Satakunta Air Command from Pirkkala is responsible for the operation in Jokioinen. The main focus is on air operations and no actual combat base has been established this time along highway 2 in Jokioinen.


Here's how those widenings are built (about 20 of them in total - usually timed to coincide with normal improvements of said highway), google translate this if you want to know more:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9197920

Page 53 onwards here how they are designed (cross-section drawings etc.):
https://trepo.tuni.fi/bitstream/handle/ ... sequence=2
Example site 1 is an airport emergency landing site planned near Jyväskylä airport. The emergency landing site is 1.7 km long and the width of the asphalt pavement at the emergency landing site is 41 meters. The motorway has a lateral slope (3%) on both sides at the emergency landing site, and the longitudinal slope of the road is 2%. There is a noise barrier on the west side of the emergency landing site.
There is a side channel between the noise wall and the emergency landing place, from which the drainage water is led by drums to the other side of the noise wall.


Here's a closeup video in daylight from Baana 22. You can see the lights, some support vehicles etc. I highly recommend watching this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj_eJxy8ojk

Baana 20 video has some signage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_dZbdK6qDU
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Unread post29 Sep 2022, 18:58

Thanks for all the info & videos 'magitsu'. I'll check it all out. There is a lot of 'ROAD Preparation' over time I guess.
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Unread post29 Sep 2022, 19:05

Indeed. The most recent one (2021) alongside new Kirri-Tikkakoski motorway seems more equipped than before as it received permanent light fixtures to enable this use. In the recent past, some of the roadside bases have been in mothballs because they want to use different ones, but there still wasn't need to keep all of them in active rotation.
- The emergency landing site has very large floodlights and a road width of about 40 meters. It's a pretty impressive looking place.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12201534

In a small country the agencies are flexible, so building highways for "dual use" at one time is probably very modest additional cost.
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Unread post30 Sep 2022, 09:14

I bet F-35A will be a really great aircraft for road operations and especially so in the night. EO DAS and helmet are likely really great tools to have and so is the drag/brake chute.
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Unread post30 Sep 2022, 09:32

I'll post this video in the JPALS thread also - eJPALS (expeditionaryJPALS) would be an excellent aid, especially for night time. One day there will be fully automatic landings for pilots in F-35s using CERTIFIED JPALS (remember the X-47B?).

VFC: Expeditionary Support https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSDHQc-g8Kc

Raytheon Technologies "Former airmen discuss advanced technology like the expeditionary Joint Precision Approach and Landing System which enables a pilot to land in austere environments."

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