New F-16s for Turkey?

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Unread post08 Oct 2021, 18:40

WASHINGTON, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Turkey has made a request to the U.S. to buy 40 Lockheed Martin-made F-16 fighter jets and nearly 80 modernization kits for its existing warplanes, as the NATO ally looks to modernize its Air Force after the purchase of F-35 jets fell through, sources familiar with the matter said.

The deal, worth billions, is still working its way through the Foreign Military Sales process which is subject to approval by the U.S. State Department as well as the U.S. Congress which can block deals.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 021-10-07/
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Unread post08 Oct 2021, 21:50

Nice, getting closer to 5000 Vipers 8)
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Unread post13 Oct 2021, 09:32

Yes, but will the US Congress approve such a deal????
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Unread post13 Oct 2021, 17:59

Likely so, as it will support continued production of the F-16C/D block 70/72, open for potential block 70/72 upgrade of Turkeys remaining F-16 fleet, foster strengthened NATO partner and important allied nation protecting NATO's southern flank
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Unread post20 Oct 2021, 04:57

Boman wrote:Likely so, as it will support continued production of the F-16C/D block 70/72, open for potential block 70/72 upgrade of Turkeys remaining F-16 fleet, foster strengthened NATO partner and important allied nation protecting NATO's southern flank



You could have said something similar about the F-35. Yet, the US isn't going to sell Turkey that either.....
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Unread post20 Oct 2021, 07:15

Difference is Turkey already have the F-16. They never got the F-35
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Unread post21 Oct 2021, 05:24

Boman wrote:Difference is Turkey already have the F-16. They never got the F-35



True but the US Congress is not very happy with Turkey at the moment. My guess is any such deal will face considerable resistance.
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Unread post21 Oct 2021, 08:00

Maybe. Then again maybe not. Turkey "learned its lesson" through the cancelled F-35 sale, and the US/NATO depend on Turkey to protect their southern flank.
It is my assumption that Turkey will both be allowed to buy new F-16's and upgrade the existing fleet to Block 70 standard.
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Unread post22 Oct 2021, 13:30

They should probably be offered F/A-18E. A diverse fleet would certainly have an 'enhancing' effect on their budget.
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Unread post22 Oct 2021, 16:27

But cost more in operational use. No, better to expand on the existing fleet of fighters.
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Unread post23 Oct 2021, 06:18

Boman wrote:But cost more in operational use. No, better to expand on the existing fleet of fighters.


I said the first part already. The second point is open to arguments.
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Unread post24 Oct 2021, 08:58

Turkey just declared 10 Western ambassadors, including US, to be persona non grata. I think any new F-16 deals are unlikely for the time being.
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Unread post25 Oct 2021, 00:21

Boman wrote:Maybe. Then again maybe not. Turkey "learned its lesson" through the cancelled F-35 sale, and the US/NATO depend on Turkey to protect their southern flank.
It is my assumption that Turkey will both be allowed to buy new F-16's and upgrade the existing fleet to Block 70 standard.



Not saying that Turkey won't get more F-16's. Just making the point it likely won't be easy.... :shock:
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Unread post25 Oct 2021, 05:58

Agreed. Kicking out certain diplomats doesn't help either ;)
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Unread post25 Oct 2021, 20:30

Greetings from Turkey.
It has been a long time since my last post on F-16.net.
I had offered a solution to the F-35/S-400 crisis back then. I had proposed that, it would be acceptable for all parties, that an offer of F-15s instead of F-35s. Back then, no one paid attention to the F-15EX, which, I think, is such a good option for those who may not get their hands on F-35. In this time frame USAF did request a reasonable number of F-15EX aircraft for its inventory.
I still think that the F-15EX is the best choice for replacing our ancient F-4 Terminator Phantoms. A total of 40 aircraft would be enough for the replacement of F-4s.
The second best choice was the F-16V. This is a much cheaper option, of course, as there is no need for an additional support and training infrastructure as would be with a new aircraft type.
So: The request for 40 new F-16V aircraft along with the upgrade kits for 80 Block 50 is an appropriate way for the Turkish Air Force modernization efforts.
On the other hand, this request has two sides from an international relations perspective. On one side, Turkey turns its allies for her modernization needs. If they supply the new aircraft and kits, it is ok, allied nations help each other, there is no problem. But, if, a big if, they refuse Turkish request, then the situation gets to a similar destination as in the Patriot/S-400 debate. The public opinion will emerge as "our allies do not supply us with what we need. So what shall we do, we have no options but walk away with non-US options, namely to the Russian ones". "We requested for the Patriot ADS, they did not give. We had to procure non-NATO compliant S-400 ADS. Now we have requested for a 40 years old design aircraft, they do not give even those. So what can we do?". This will be the reason for the Turkish government to procure Su-35 and/or Su-57 aircraft from Russia. Of course, if Russians are willing to sell these aircraft to us, but I do not think they would hesitate to earn billions of USD worth money, along with crushing the southern flank of the NATO alliance.
Just my personal thoughts as an aviation enthusiast without any military affiliation.

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