Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post22 Apr 2021, 06:41

At BTM of the previous page 'alloycowboy' said: "With Super Hornet production ending at the end of 2021...."
Super Hornet has been going to end production by a certain year/date but always followed by continuing production:
"...The latest [Super Hornet] Block III upgrade, currently undergoing test and evaluation, extends the platform’s service life and range, and incorporates an advanced cockpit system, reduced radar cross section and an advanced networking infrastructure. The Boeing Company delivered two F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet test jets to the U.S. Navy in June 2020, with production to follow successful testing and a contract in place to provide 78 new-build F/A-18 Block III jets to the Service through 2024.... 04 Feb 2021: https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Fil ... e-fighter/

"...Boeing signed a $4 billion contract with the Navy in May 2019 for 78 new-build Block III Super Hornets which should be delivered by spring 2024. Tebo says Boeing will also convert all of the service’s current Block II Super Hornets – more than 550 airplanes - to Block III configuration with deliveries scheduled between 2023 and the mid-2030s...." 22 Jun 2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler ... -upgrades/
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Unread post22 Apr 2021, 06:56

spazsinbad wrote:At BTM of the previous page 'alloycowboy' said: "With Super Hornet production ending at the end of 2021...."
Super Hornet has been going to end production by a certain year/date but always followed by continuing production:
"...The latest [Super Hornet] Block III upgrade, currently undergoing test and evaluation, extends the platform’s service life and range, and incorporates an advanced cockpit system, reduced radar cross section and an advanced networking infrastructure. The Boeing Company delivered two F/A-18 Block III Super Hornet test jets to the U.S. Navy in June 2020, with production to follow successful testing and a contract in place to provide 78 new-build F/A-18 Block III jets to the Service through 2024.... 04 Feb 2021: https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Fil ... e-fighter/

"...Boeing signed a $4 billion contract with the Navy in May 2019 for 78 new-build Block III Super Hornets which should be delivered by spring 2024. Tebo says Boeing will also convert all of the service’s current Block II Super Hornets – more than 550 airplanes - to Block III configuration with deliveries scheduled between 2023 and the mid-2030s...." 22 Jun 2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler ... -upgrades/




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Navy Cuts Super Hornet Production to Develop Next-Generation Fighter
By: Sam LaGrone
February 10, 2020 1:30 PM

The cut of the Super Hornets past FY 2021 is estimated to route $4.5 billion over the five-year horizon of the Future Years Defense Plan (FYDP) to the new aviation effort.

“The decision to cease F/A-18 procurement after FY 2021 ensures the Carrier Air Wing will maintain capable strike fighter capacity to pace the most stressing threats through the 2030s,” read the Navy documents.

The NGAD program, previously known as F/A-XX, has sought to replace the payload capacity of the Super Hornets on carrier decks as the incoming F-35C Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter brings a stealthy fighter to the air wing. The program has had fits and starts over the last decade as the service has grappled with shaping the future of the air wing.

https://news.usni.org/2020/02/10/navy-c ... on-fighter


That is unless something has changed???
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Unread post22 Apr 2021, 07:50

One may look at the dates of my two quotes & then compare with the date of the post just above here - SIMPLES.
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Unread post22 Apr 2021, 09:18

spazsinbad wrote:One may look at the dates of my two quotes & then compare with the date of the post just above here - SIMPLES.



The US Defense Budget has been approved for next year...........(has it)


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At a budgetary crossroads, the US Navy’s aviation wing must choose between old and new
By: Valerie Insinna   June 1, 2020

The Navy is opting to buy a final 24 F/A-18E/Fs in fiscal 2021, slashing a planned purchase of at least 36 Super Hornets that would have spanned FY22 through FY24. The move will save $4.5 billion, which the service plans to redirect to its sixth-generation fighter program, known as Next Generation Air Dominance, or F/A-XX.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/06 ... d-and-new/

Of course things change....but will depend on next years budget. So, we won't know anything to next fall.
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Unread post22 Apr 2021, 14:54

So a 4 billion dollar contract noted above by USN in 04 Feb this year for 78 Block III Super Hornets by 2024 means nothing?
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Unread post22 Apr 2021, 16:45

Just looking at this article from March 10 of 2020, it sounds like they want to cut the production lines so they can transition them to doing Service Life Modification (SLM) work.

https://news.usni.org/2020/03/10/navy-s ... nsion-work
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Unread post22 Apr 2021, 17:00

Regardless, Canada would be buying yesterday's fighter tomorrow.

Hat's off to Boeing, because as Spaz points out that line was supposed to be dead by now, but it keeps catching new life. I would expect the same thing to happen for the F-35 as well
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Unread post22 Apr 2021, 17:00

oops!
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Unread post22 Apr 2021, 17:00

sorry for the triple
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Unread post30 Apr 2021, 07:52

I wonder where the massive quoted price for Super Hornet in Canada comes from, since now we have Boeing on record with a binding offer of 14 Growlers and 50 E's for $11b.
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Unread post30 Apr 2021, 08:51

What else is included in the BOING! offer (14 Growlers and 50 E's for $11b) above?
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Unread post30 Apr 2021, 15:18

spazsinbad wrote:What else is included in the BOING! offer (14 Growlers and 50 E's for $11b) above?

Weapons (Saab said that in their package weapons amounted for over 20% of the total cost), simulators, 5 year transtion cost to new fighters, 30% industrial partnership requirement.

Likely this minus the 8 F. https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major- ... nd-weapons
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Unread post30 Apr 2021, 19:38

magitsu wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:What else is included in the BOING! offer (14 Growlers and 50 E's for $11b) above?

Weapons (Saab said that in their package weapons amounted for over 20% of the total cost), simulators, 5 year transtion cost to new fighters, 30% industrial partnership requirement. Likely this minus the 8 F. https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major- ... nd-weapons

Thanks - Below is most text from PDF: https://www.dsca.mil/sites/default/file ... _20-67.pdf (48Kb) attached
Finland – F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Aircraft and Weapons [DSCA]
"WASHINGTON, October 9, 2020 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Finland of F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler aircraft and weapons and related equipment for an estimated cost of $14.7 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of Finland has requested to buy fifty (50) F/A-18E Super Hornet aircraft; eight (8) F/A-18F Super Hornet aircraft; fourteen (14) EA-18G Growler aircraft; one hundred sixty-six (166) F414-GE-400 engines (144 installed and 22 spares); five hundred (500) GBU-53/B Small Diameter Bomb II (SDB II) All-Up Round (AUR); twelve (12) GBU-53/B SDB II Guided Test Vehicles (GTV); twelve (12) GBU-53/B SDB II Captive Carry Reliability Trainers; one hundred fifty (150) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder Tactical Missiles; thirty-two (32) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder Captive Air Training Missiles (CATMs); thirty (30) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder Tactical Guidance Units; eight (8) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder CATM Guidance Units; one hundred sixty (160) AGM-154C-1 Joint Stand Off Weapons (JSOW); two hundred (200) AGM-158B-2B Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile Extended Range All Up Rounds (JASSM ER AUR); two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Separation Test Vehicles (STV); two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Instrumented Test Vehicles (ITV); two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Jettison Test Vehicles (JTV); two (2) AGM-158B-2 Inert Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM) with Telemetry Instrumental Kits; two (2) AGM-158B-2 JASSM Maintenance Training Missiles (DATM); one hundred twenty (120) BLU-117B/B 2000LB GP Bombs; one hundred twenty (120) KMU-556F/B Bomb Tail Kits (JDAM); three hundred (300) FMU-139D/B Fuzes; two (2) KMU-556(D-2)/B Trainers (JDAM); thirty (30) BLU-109C/B 2000LB Bombs; thirty (30) KMU-557F/B Bomb Tail Kits (JDAM); two (2) BLU-109(D-1)/B 2000LB Bombs; one hundred two (102) BLU-111B/B 500LB General Purpose Bombs; one hundred two (102) KMU-572F/B JDAM Bomb Tail Kits; six (6) MK-82-0,1 500LB, General Purpose Bombs, Inert; fifty-one (51) BLU-110B/B 1000LB General Purpose Bombs; fifty (50) KMU-559F/B Bomb Tail Kits; fifty-eight (58) M61A2 20MM Gun Systems; thirty-two (32) Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infrared (ATFLIR); thirty-two (32) Sniper Targeting Pods; fourteen (14) Advanced Electronic Attack Kit for EA-18G; sixty-five (65) AN/ALR-67(V)3 Electric Warfare Countermeasures Receiving Sets; sixty-five (65) AN/ALQ-214 Integrated Countermeasures Systems; seventy-four (74) Multifunctional Information Distribution Systems – Joint Tactical Radio Systems (MIDS JTRS); eighty-nine (89) Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS); three hundred seventy-seven (377) LAU-127E/A Guided Missile Launchers; seventy-four (74) AN/AYK-29 Distributed Targeting Processor – Networked (DTP-N); twenty-five (25) Infrared Search and Track (IRST) Systems; and eight (8) Next Generation Jammer Mid-Band (NGJ-MB) sets. Also included are AN/APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars; High Speed Video Network (HSVN) Digital Video Recorder (HDVR); AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVG); AN/AVS-11 Night Vision Cueing Devices (NVCD); AN/ALE-47 Electronic Warfare Countermeasures Systems; AN/ARC-210 Communication System; AN/APX-111 Combined Interrogator Transponder; AN/ALE-55 Towed Decoys; Launchers (LAU-115D/A, LAU-116B/A, LAU118A); AN/AAQ-28(V) Litening Targeting Pod; Joint Mission Planning System (JMPS); Accurate Navigation (ANAV) Global Positioning System (GPS) Navigation; Aircraft Armament Equipment (AAE); Aircraft Ferry transportation; Foreign Liaison Officer (FLO) Support; Auxiliary Fuel Tanks, FMU-139D(D-2)/B fuzes; MK84-4 2000LB General Purpose Inert Bombs, MK83 Bomb General Purpose Inert Bombs; KMU-557C(D-2)/B tail kits; KMU-572C(D-2)/B tail kits; Detector Laser DSU-38A/B, Detector Laser DSU-38A(D-2)/B, KMU-559C(D-2)/B load trainer; Wing Release Lanyard Assemblies; AGM-154C-1 JSOW Captive Flight Vehicles, Dummy Air Training Missiles, AGM-154C-1 JSOW mission planning, integration support and testing, munitions storage security and training, weapon operational flight program software development; weapons containers; aircraft and munitions support and test equipment; communications equipment; provisioning, spares and repair parts; weapons repair and return support; personnel training and training equipment; weapon systems software, publications and technical documents; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistical and program support. The total estimated cost is $14.7 billion....

...Implementation of this proposed sale will require the assignment of six (6) additional U.S. contractor representatives to Finland on an intermittent basis for a duration of the life of the case to support delivery of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and EA-18G Growler aircraft and provide supply support management, inventory control, and equipment familiarization...."
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