Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 12 Sep 2020, 13:20
by spazsinbad
Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C 11 Sep 2020 LM PR
https://www.f35.com/news/detail/everyth ... the-f-35c1

MORE INFO: https://www.f35.com/assets/uploads/documents/f35C.pdf (1Mb)

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Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 12 Sep 2020, 14:28
by sprstdlyscottsmn
Great shots!

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 12 Sep 2020, 16:41
by spazsinbad
:? Converted teh in animate GUF above to MP?! not attached. :?:

F-35C Arrest CVN with Bombs Weapons Test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28cOvLJuifM


Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 03:09
by stereospace
That actually compares quite favorably to an F-15E:

F-18E
Combat radius: 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km)
Weapons Payload: 17,750 lb (8,050 kg)

F-35C
Combat radius - 670 nmi (1,241 km)
Weapons Payload - 18,000 lbs of combined internal and external weapons.

F-15E
Combat radius: 687 nmi (791 mi, 1,272 km)
Weapons & Fuel Payload - 23,000 lb (10,400 kg) of external fuel and ordnance.

Lots of dickering to be done along the lines of 'Well, the F-15E is M2.5+ while the F-35C is only M1.6+.', 'Yes, but the F-35 is stealthy and has better sensors.', etc. My point is simply the USN, with the F-35C has on deck, has an ordinance at range capability not too far from an F-15E. That's very handy, especially since the USN are usually the first to arrive.

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 04:46
by Corsair1963
stereospace wrote:That actually compares quite favorably to an F-15E:

F-18E
Combat radius: 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km)
Weapons Payload: 17,750 lb (8,050 kg)

F-35C
Combat radius - 670 nmi (1,241 km)
Weapons Payload - 18,000 lbs of combined internal and external weapons.

F-15E
Combat radius: 687 nmi (791 mi, 1,272 km)
Weapons & Fuel Payload - 23,000 lb (10,400 kg) of external fuel and ordnance.

Lots of dickering to be done along the lines of 'Well, the F-15E is M2.5+ while the F-35C is only M1.6+.', 'Yes, but the F-35 is stealthy and has better sensors.', etc. My point is simply the USN, with the F-35C has on deck, has an ordinance at range capability not too far from an F-15E. That's very handy, especially since the USN are usually the first to arrive.


Such data is very misleading.....The F-15 doesn't really fly at Mach 2.5+ Nor, doesn't it carry anything remotely close to 23,000 lbs under real world conditions. Actually, under most mission profiles either light or heavy. The F-35A/C out performs it...

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 14:33
by aussiebloke
On the “Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C” web page at https://www.f35.com/news/detail/everyth ... the-f-35c1 I have a question about the third image from the top. This image shows an F-35C against a blue sky with clouds below. As the camera rotates around the aircraft what I am assuming are sensor locations are highlighted in a blue glow. There is a chevron or V shaped sensor highlighted at the front of the engine inlet. Is this a known sensor position? If so what sensor would this be?

It doesn’t appear to be any of the sensors seen in this discussion:
viewtopic.php?p=371234#p371234

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 14:43
by spazsinbad
I'll guess this is the animation - poorly executed showing the sensors BEFORE/AFTER they should become visible so that causes your perception problem I suspect? I could take a screengrab however I think the issue will become self-evident?

https://www.f35.com/assets/uploads/images/sensor.gif

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The screengrab was 'PrtScn' keyed at end of the animation. Is this the one? Difficult to see where it is during animation.

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 14:44
by sprstdlyscottsmn
The "Danger - Jet Intake" cheverons?

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 14:51
by aussiebloke
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:The "Danger - Jet Intake" cheverons?

lol.... so not a sensor then! :P

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 14:53
by spazsinbad
It is hypnotic somwotic to view that animation too much. The 'highlighted' (white lines) blue thingo STARTS at the TOP of the airframe just behind the cockpit so it is part of the DAS system. START & END FRAMES (if youse'n can get them are...).

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 16:38
by quicksilver
aussiebloke wrote:On the “Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C” web page at https://www.f35.com/news/detail/everyth ... the-f-35c1 I have a question about the third image from the top. This image shows an F-35C against a blue sky with clouds below. As the camera rotates around the aircraft what I am assuming are sensor locations are highlighted in a blue glow. There is a chevron or V shaped sensor highlighted at the front of the engine inlet. Is this a known sensor position? If so what sensor would this be?

It doesn’t appear to be any of the sensors seen in this discussion:
viewtopic.php?p=371234#p371234


The displayed jet is transparent wrt the position of the upper DAS sensors. Thus, when it rotates, it continues to show the position of the upper sensors, both on the nose and on the top of the fuselage.

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 18:03
by aussiebloke
I made a pretty poor effort at explaining myself.

The V shape that caught my is the one that sprsdlyscottsmn has pointed out to me as being the “danger - jet Intake” chevron. Why it is glowing blue I am not sure..... :oops:

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 21:32
by spazsinbad
:devil: Is that CHEVRON BLUE or is it WHITEish? IS IT SAFE? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr2CjFwNRPo


Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 15 Sep 2020, 03:03
by gc
16 F-35C for the future Carrier Air Wing. Less Rhinos featured.

https://seapowermagazine.org/navys-futu ... nto-focus/

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 15 Sep 2020, 03:44
by spazsinbad
Let us hope the USMC STOP 'perhaps intended' downsizing of their Bee Squadrons/BUY ASLO (yes I know). FLY NAVY

vTAILHOOKy was VIRTUAL (or should be say VIRTUOUS) this year so a graphic may become available soonish like here:

https://www.tailhook.net/ for: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/1e0c ... atures.jpg

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 15 Sep 2020, 05:37
by Corsair1963
gc wrote:16 F-35C for the future Carrier Air Wing. Less Rhinos featured.

https://seapowermagazine.org/navys-futu ... nto-focus/


Sounds like the USN is pushing the first of F-35C Squadrons to 16 instead of 10. Until every Air Wing acquires at least a single Squadron. I assume that number will drop back to 10 -12 aircraft. When they add a second squadron to each Air Wing post 2030.

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 15 Sep 2020, 05:54
by Corsair1963
Actually, the USN should be acquiring enough F-35C's to stand up two squadrons per year now. (i.e. 10 aircraft) So, makes you wonder. If, some cut backs in orders are coming???

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 20 Sep 2020, 20:00
by marauder2048
Corsair1963 wrote:
gc wrote:16 F-35C for the future Carrier Air Wing. Less Rhinos featured.

https://seapowermagazine.org/navys-futu ... nto-focus/


Sounds like the USN is pushing the first of F-35C Squadrons to 16 instead of 10. Until every Air Wing acquires at least a single Squadron. I assume that number will drop back to 10 -12 aircraft. When they add a second squadron to each Air Wing post 2030.



The slide from Tailhook 2020.

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 21 Sep 2020, 12:04
by hornetfinn
marauder2048 wrote:The slide from Tailhook 2020.


Interesting, thanks you. I find it a bit strange that the F-35 SATCOM and DAS system have been omitted in this slide. Also interesting that JSOW is missing from weapons list. Maybe these are just unintentional omissions?

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 22 Sep 2020, 07:07
by marauder2048
hornetfinn wrote:
marauder2048 wrote:The slide from Tailhook 2020.

Also interesting that JSOW is missing from weapons list.


Yeah. I noticed that too..but they have JASSM-ER (?!) which, AFAIK, the Navy has not committed to buying.

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 03 Nov 2020, 04:11
by Corsair1963
Navy Shifts Future Carrier JFK to Single-Phase Delivery With F-35C Modifications Included


The Navy today issued a contract modification to move its next Ford-class aircraft carrier to a more traditional single-phase delivery, with the intention of getting the future John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) in deployable shape on a faster timeline.

JFK was previously slated to go through a two-phase delivery process, where the ship would be mostly completed and then the workforce at Newport News Shipbuilding would pause and install electronics and other modifications at a later time. This plan was unveiled in the Fiscal Year 2016 budget as a means of building the carrier on the most cost-effective schedule for the workforce at the construction yard but avoiding an overlap of JFK and USS Nimitz (CVN-68) in the fleet, which would put a strain on Navy budgets and personnel to operate both. By inserting a gap in construction and delaying final delivery, the ship would receive the most up-to-date technology just ahead of its entry to the fleet, once the fleet was ready to induct a new carrier.

However, that decision was made when JFK was expected to deliver in 2022 and the overlap between Kennedy and Nimitz would have been longer. The Navy is now eyeing a 2024 delivery for JFK regardless of whether it delivers fully outfitted or not.

The Navy today awarded Newport News Shipbuilding two contract modifications valued at up to $315 million combined to convert to a single-phase delivery and to install F-35C Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter modifications ahead of delivery.

“The Navy is transitioning to a single-phase delivery approach to meet both Fleet requirements and a congressional mandate of ensuring that CVN 79 is capable of operating and deploying Joint Strike Fighter (F-35C) aircraft before completing the post-shakedown availability as codified in Section 124 of the fiscal 2020 National Defense Authorization Act (Public Law 116-92),” reads the contract announcement.
“The single-phase delivery date is planned for June 30, 2024.”

“The contract action announced today revises the two-phased delivery approach originally planned for the second ship in the Gerald R. Ford-class of carriers. It comes as a result of extensive collaboration with the Navy to support legislative requirements for Kennedy to be delivered with its complete warfare system, including F-35 Joint Strike Fighter capabilities, before the ship is commissioned into the fleet,” reads a news release from Newport News Shipbuilding.

“We are pleased to have worked with the Navy to adopt lessons learned in the construction of USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) to improve cost, production and planning efficiencies on Kennedy,” Lucas Hicks, Newport News’ vice president of new construction aircraft carrier programs, said in the news release.
“We believe that the single-phase approach ensures the most effective build plan for all remaining work and provides the best value for the Navy by supporting its ability to accelerate operational deployment of this maritime force asset.”

Navy acquisition chief James Geurts “has been driving a single-phase delivery strategy for JFK that included F-35C capabilities to achieve the most efficient path to delivery as compared to the baseline two-phased delivery” plan the Navy had previously planned, Navy spokesman Capt. Danny Hernandez told USNI News.
“He feels single-phase will deliver a more capable and lethal ship to the fleet.”

This new plan, he said, will deliver a more capable ship to the fleet and hasten its ability to get trained up and out on deployment. If the F-35 modifications were done during the ship’s post-shakedown availability, that maintenance period could run longer and could delay the ship from starting workups for its maiden deployment.

The new plan represents “no impact to JFK’s baseline delivery date in 2024,” but at the time of delivery the ship will be complete and will be F-35C-compatible. According to FY 2016 budget documents, the ship would have had its initial acceptance in 2022 and then final delivery in 2024. This new conversion to a single-phase delivery maintains the 2024 delivery timeline.

Lawmakers in June 2019 were angered when they were told that the Ford-class carriers would be built and delivered without the ability to support the F-35C. In the FY 2020 National Defense Authorization Act they required that JFK be made F-35-compatible by the time it completes its post-shakedown availability following its final tests and trials.

At the time, Hernandez told USNI News that “the Nimitz-class and Ford-class aircraft carriers, by design, can operate with F-35Cs; however, there are modifications to both carrier classes that are required in order to fully employ the capabilities of the F-35s and enable them to be more effective on a full-length deployment. … These F-35C modifications for CVN-78 and CVN-79 are currently scheduled for a future post-delivery modernization maintenance period that will occur prior to the planned F-35C operations on those carriers. This has always been the plan for CVN-78 and CVN-79 over several budget cycles. CVN-80 and CVN-81 will be constructed with those modifications made during construction and will not require a post-delivery modification.”

Now, rather than waiting until post-delivery maintenance availabilities, Kennedy will undergo the F-35 modifications during construction and will be delivered to the Navy with the computer systems that support F-35 logistics and sustainment, data collection and more.

According to Newport News Shipbuilding, Kennedy is approximately 76 percent complete. The ship was launched in December 2019 and is undergoing further outfitting and testing.




https://news.usni.org/2020/11/02/navy-s ... more-81182

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 05 Nov 2020, 00:58
by spazsinbad

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Unread postPosted: 05 Nov 2020, 01:36
by element1loop
MQ-25A equipping will need to be done in one step also from here.

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2021, 00:09
by jessmo112
F-35C almost splashes in the ocean.

https://www.businessinsider.com/f35-nea ... 2020-5?amp

My hats off to anyone who has every shot themselves off a ship, or who ever will.

Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2021, 01:00
by spazsinbad
These minimum end speed catapult shots are carefully calculated within limits (explanation elsewhere in forum). The carrier is moving up and down a little which exacerbates the 'drop'. The deck is some 60 feet ASL? (I'll have to check) For sure test pilots take calculated risks. There is a video of the first night F-35C catapult when the pilot being uncertain lights burner.

F-35C Test Catapult Min End Speed Deliberate No Burner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O69o8UFCEOw


Re: Everything You Need to Know about the F-35C

Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2021, 15:47
by mixelflick
Well, I think this move with the Kennedy and upping the number of F-35C's is (finally) a sign the Navy is getting behind the program. For too long, they've given the impression they'd just take a big toe in the water approach, vs. believing in the thing from the get go. That's the impression I got anyway, whenever it came to the Navy and F-35. Yes, I understand its more expensive (right now) vs. the SH, but not by much!

It's as if you have to wean them off their SH/Growler fix, which might not be far from the truth. After 15 years of nothing but Hornets, the sight of a new aiframe probably caused much consternation. The F-35C will only compliment it though,not function as a 1 for 1 replacement. I'm not sure even NGAD's arrival will result in that.

Hornets will be flying from decks for a long time...