Thailand wants to buy 8 F-35s, claims - cheaper than Gripen

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Unread post01 Jan 2022, 04:44

Thailand wants to buy 8 F-35s, claims its cheaper than Gripen ALERT FIVE HEADLINE 01 Jan 2022 now news post....
http://alert5.com/2022/01/01/thailand-w ... an-gripen/
Air force eyes F-35 stealth jets
31 Dec 2021 Wassana Nanuam

"New tech 'vital' to modern warfare The Royal Thai Air Force is eyeing the procurement of eight US-made F-35 stealth jets, the world's most advanced warplane, to strengthen national defence, said its commander-in-chief ACM Napadej Dhupatemiya. ACM Napadej said the air force needs a new fleet of fighter jets as the ageing F-5 and F-16 aircraft have been in service for more than three decades....

...With the new Swedish-made Saab Gripen priced at $85 million per unit, Lockheed Martin's product is not out of reach, ACM Napadej said. Depending on negotiations, unit prices of the F-35 can be brought down to just above $70 million each, he said. ACM Napadej said the budget planning for an F-35 acquisition project will be initiated in the 2023 fiscal year, which started in October, and the air force is prepared to answer all questions if it chooses to press ahead with the purchase....

..."We don't require a full fleet of F-35 jets. We may use just eight to 12 and use drones [Loyal Wingman by BOING! suggested] to fly alongside the manned aircraft," ACM Napadej said. "This will help save costs. This is relatively new but these technologies are likely to develop fast."...

...Under the plan, the new fighter jets would be deployed from the Nakhon Ratchasima-based Wing 1."

Source: https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... ealth-jets
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Unread post01 Jan 2022, 13:13

85M$ is supposedly for Gripen E. Gripen C is probably (hopefully) cheaper to procure, but procuring a fighter with an out-of-service date of 2026 in 2022 would hardly be a good move.
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Unread post01 Jan 2022, 15:06

OMG, can you imagine the headaches at SAAB this morning? First from New Year's and now this headline. Singapore not only trounced Gripen on its supposed one big selling point, they also pointed out to other prospective customers how to "stretch" their F-35 purchase via loyal wingman. The entire SAAB universe that's waking up to this... it must be hitting them like a ton of bricks.

All we need now is Canada to seal the deal with another big F-35 win. That 1-2 punch would be the knockout!
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Unread post01 Jan 2022, 15:38

Thailand, which buys Chinese submarines and has China as its main economic partner, will never be allowed to buy the F-35.
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Unread post01 Jan 2022, 17:00

Really? We're talking about Thailand here.

I get a bit nervous about Singapore and they've been a close ally for a long time.
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Unread post01 Jan 2022, 17:55

sunstersun wrote:Really? We're talking about Thailand here.

I get a bit nervous about Singapore and they've been a close ally for a long time.

They might be able to get a package deal. Do they want a sub with the US nuke reactor and some B-21's too?
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Unread post01 Jan 2022, 20:54

optimist wrote:
sunstersun wrote:Really? We're talking about Thailand here.

I get a bit nervous about Singapore and they've been a close ally for a long time.

They might be able to get a package deal. Do they want a sub with the US nuke reactor and some B-21's too?


NGAD before the USAF gets it.
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Unread post02 Jan 2022, 01:30

sunstersun wrote:
optimist wrote:
sunstersun wrote:Really? We're talking about Thailand here.

I get a bit nervous about Singapore and they've been a close ally for a long time.

They might be able to get a package deal. Do they want a sub with the US nuke reactor and some B-21's too?


NGAD before the USAF gets it.

Perhaps they can be an embedded partner in the NGAD? Huawei would like that.
https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2021 ... 768d1.html
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Unread post02 Jan 2022, 04:06

Sounds like another market for Rafale.
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Unread post02 Jan 2022, 12:08

madrat wrote:Sounds like another market for Rafale.

Not as obvious as some. Since they have F-16A/B and Gripen C/D. But who knows what the reaction is if they aren't allowed to get the F-35. In that case new F-16 might be something that would be a middle finger to suggest. So it could turn to updating the old F-16 or getting Rafale indeed.

Thailand also have AEW from Saab and that weird small carrier. Basically a yacht even if it's technically a helicopter carrier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTMS_Chakri_Naruebet
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Unread post02 Jan 2022, 18:36

madrat wrote:Sounds like another market for Rafale.


Not obvious, Dassault is much less established in Thailand than Saab. Here the Gripen E has more chance than the Rafale
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Unread post02 Jan 2022, 23:56

Independently of the feasibility of Thailand to get F-35 - and here I agree with most posters here: unlikely due to the relation with China - I still find to be very fun that a Gripen user (Thailand) categorically mentioned that the F-35 is cheaper than the Gripen (and yes, the comparison is against the -E Gripen variant).
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post03 Jan 2022, 00:12

Well, let's see what the US Government says about a possible sale of the F-35 to Thailand? :|
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Unread post13 Jan 2022, 04:50


Thailand to finance 4 new fighter aircraft after announcing interest in F-35A



Thailand to finance 4 new fighter aircraft after announcing interest in F-35A
January 13, 2022
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The F-35A Lightning II JSF, these examples with the Royal Australian Air Force. Photo c/o RAAF.


The Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) has confirmed that the Thai Government has supported a plan to procure at least 4 new fighter aircraft starting fiscal year 2023.


The Thai cabinet is looking at appropriating a budget worth THB13.8 billion (US$413.6 million) for the proposed plan, to be spread in a 4-year period.


While no specific aircraft model was mentioned, this plan came as the RTAF’s chief Air Chief Marshal Napadej Dhupatemiya announced that they are interested in procuring 8 new 5th-generation F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters from American aviation giant Lockheed Martin.


The RTAF is looking at replacing their ageing fleet of F-5E/F Tiger II and F-16A/B Fighting Falcon fighter aircraft, most of which have been in RTAF service since the 1980s.


The service currently has a squadron of Sweden’s JAS-39C/D Gripen, which is currently the RTAF’s most advanced fighter aircraft.


It was believed that the JAS-39C/D Gripen was originally intended to replace the RTAF’s F-5 fighter fleet, but no additional aircraft were ordered after delivery of the first 12 units.


But the RTAF said it has found that the F-35A Lightning II is actually cheaper than the latest JAS-39E/F Gripen as the American fighter has started to mature and production in full scale for several years now.


The RTAF will formally evaluate different fighter aircraft to determine their suitability to their requirements, with two committees tasked to provide their assessment.


US Government approval is needed for the acquisition of F-35A Lightning II fighters, which has not been provided so far, and there are no confirmation of any request from the Thai Government for an approval of sale.


https://www.asiapacificdefensejournal.c ... EiIYCMnyjI
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Unread post13 Jan 2022, 17:05

Corsair1963 wrote:It was believed that the JAS-39C/D Gripen was originally intended to replace the RTAF’s F-5 fighter fleet, but no additional aircraft were ordered after delivery of the first 12 units.


This alone confirms that the JAS-39C/D Gripen is not a cheap aircraft to operate (then there's also South Africa and so on...) and as such the Gripen E/F such be even more expensive to operate (than the Gripen C/D).


Corsair1963 wrote:But the RTAF said it has found that the F-35A Lightning II is actually cheaper than the latest JAS-39E/F Gripen as the American fighter has started to mature and production in full scale for several years now.


This also confirms and goes in line with what I said above.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.

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