SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2020, 10:29
by Corsair1963
Spain considering buying Typhoons and/or F-35's to replace their Hornets?


Sorry, couldn't copy and paste article because of copyrights. So, you'll have to translate yourself to read it... :|



https://www.infodefensa.com/es/2020/09/ ... dIpO7w8_-E

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 09 Sep 2020, 13:51
by spazsinbad
2 page PDF of all article below: https://www.infodefensa.com/es/2020/09/ ... odelo.html
GOGGLYeyed translated: https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... I-K124jEag
The Air Force plans to acquire another fifth generation fighter in addition to the Eurofighter
09 Sep 2020 InfoDefensa

"The Spanish Air Force is studying the possibility of replacing its current fleet of F-18 fighter jets , in service at the Zaragoza and Torrejón de Ardoz air bases (Madrid), with a new batch of combat aircraft made up of Eurofighter LTE (Long Term Evolution) and another fifth-generation fighter model.

The Chief of the Air Staff (JEMA), Air General Javier Salto, explains in a recent interview in RED magazine that "the Air Force considers that the best solution to date would be to replace part of the F-18s with Eurofighter's acquisition of the most advanced version (LTE), while for the rest we do not rule out the option of acquiring either more Eurofighter or another 5th generation fighter model".

The EF-18M fleet - Spanish version of the F-18 - is currently composed of 52 fighters. The Ala 12 Torrejón operates about 36 aircraft and the remaining other 16 are in the wing 15 of Zaragoza. These aircraft will be decommissioned around 2030, however, the general emphasizes that the final decision "should not take more than two years."

As published by Infodefensa.com, Airbus has already offered a batch of between 20 and 30 Eurofighter LTEs to replace this entire fleet. If Spain finally committed two models in the race is expected to enter the F-18 Super Hornet from Boeing or the F-35 of Lockheed Martin. The choice of this last model would also open the door to the acquisition of the naval version, the F-35B, the only possible option to replace the Navy Harriers.

Falcon Program
What is clear is the replacement of the F-18s from the Gando air base (Gran Canaria), with more flight hours, acquired second-hand from the US Navy. JEMA points out that "at this time our priority is to guarantee the replacement of the oldest F-18s that we currently have deployed in the Canary Islands. The solution we are considering is the acquisition of new Eurofighters".

And specifically: "With this, we would give continuity to the knowledge acquired with this system and we could take advantage of synergies in the logistics and sustainability fields. All of this, providing support to the national aerospace industry, which we must not forget is a driving force behind the activity. economic in Spain and which represents 80 percent of the defense industry". The program, dubbed the Falcon, involves the purchase of some 20 new Eurofighters for around 2 billion euros. The contract could be signed next year, with the aim that the first planes will be in service from 2025...."

Source: https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... I-K124jEag

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2020, 00:28
by Corsair1963
So, maybe something like 20 Typhoons and 36 F-35A's for the Spanish Air Force. Which, I assume be followed by a dozen or so F-35B's for the Spanish Navy.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 10 Sep 2020, 17:26
by mixelflick
Corsair1963 wrote:So, maybe something like 20 Typhoons and 36 F-35A's for the Spanish Air Force. Which, I assume be followed by a dozen or so F-35B's for the Spanish Navy.


This makes sense, and I'd be willing to bet on the F-35B for the Navy too. Nothing else out there that can replace those Harriers, which have to be reaching the very end of their service lives - fast. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull the trigger on the F-35B first, for that very reason..

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 11 Sep 2020, 01:20
by talkitron
The Spanish government is a coalition of the left. Getting them excited about buying a plane with no industrial participation will be difficult. It could happen though.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 11 Sep 2020, 17:39
by wrightwing
Corsair1963 wrote:So, maybe something like 20 Typhoons and 36 F-35A's for the Spanish Air Force. Which, I assume be followed by a dozen or so F-35B's for the Spanish Navy.

Or better still, 56 F-35A for their Air Force + ___ F-35B for their Navy.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 01:33
by Corsair1963
wrightwing wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:So, maybe something like 20 Typhoons and 36 F-35A's for the Spanish Air Force. Which, I assume be followed by a dozen or so F-35B's for the Spanish Navy.

Or better still, 56 F-35A for their Air Force + ___ F-35B for their Navy.


Honestly, I would be happy with the above mix of Typhoons and F-35's!

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 01:36
by Corsair1963
talkitron wrote:The Spanish government is a coalition of the left. Getting them excited about buying a plane with no industrial participation will be difficult. It could happen though.



Well, the Spanish Navy is going to have no option but to acquire some F-35B's to replace its Harriers. Yet, that purchase could spur an order for the Spanish Air Force. As I doubt they would want to be left out of the Stealth Fighter Game.
:wink:

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2020, 09:26
by franfran2424
The Spanish Navy is going to buy F-35B, because no other country produces a 4th gen short takeoff multirole jet.
On the late 2020s, because the Harriers got a life extension and are being retired before 2030 (so on 2027-2030, in case you didn't know how the spanish armed forces work).

F-35A from USA just won't happen while Typhoon keeps being locally produced, it can't compete in price to performance for ground attack. Plus way easier standardisation of supplies

Plus, France and Germany are working on a 6th generation jet and Spain joined the project, and it's because they plan to use it to skip a generation, so to say.

The Hornets are being changed for Typhoons, so hope only for the F-35B.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2020, 09:49
by Corsair1963
franfran2424 wrote:The Spanish Navy is going to buy F-35B, because no other country produces a 4th gen short takeoff multirole jet.
On the late 2020s, because the Harriers got a life extension and are being retired before 2030 (so on 2027-2030, in case you didn't know how the spanish armed forces work).

F-35A from USA just won't happen while Typhoon keeps being locally produced, it can't compete in price to performance for ground attack. Plus way easier standardisation of supplies

Plus, France and Germany are working on a 6th generation jet and Spain joined the project, and it's because they plan to use it to skip a generation, so to say.

The Hornets are being changed for Typhoons, so hope only for the F-35B.



From what I've read sounds like the Air Force is pitching a mix buy of Typhoons and F-35A's to replace the Hornets. While, the F-35B would replace the Harriers for the Navy.

As for the F-35 not competing in price and ground attack. That is laughable and not supported by fact....

Nonetheless, it's clear many in Spain would prefer to just keep buying Typhoons. Which, shouldn't be surprising considering Spain is part of the Euro Fighter Program. Yet, the FCAS is along ways off too!

Honestly, sound like a Jump Ball to me...... :wink:

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2020, 12:36
by jessmo112
If someone built a 4th generation stovl fighter to replace the Harrier, it would make lors of money.
So many countries either cant get the F-35 or will not buy it for political reasons. Is stovl THAT hard?

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 14 Oct 2020, 12:39
by spazsinbad
Ask yourself why this idea has not come about already. Both Russia & China are 'apparently' working on this - ask them.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 15 Oct 2020, 21:40
by XanderCrews
jessmo112 wrote:If someone built a 4th generation stovl fighter to replace the Harrier, it would make lors of money.
So many countries either cant get the F-35 or will not buy it for political reasons. Is stovl THAT hard?


YES

and Harrier II is 4th gen

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 19 Oct 2020, 18:03
by ricnunes
franfran2424 wrote:F-35A from USA just won't happen while Typhoon keeps being locally produced, it can't compete in price to performance for ground attack. Plus way easier standardisation of supplies


Here, I fixed it for you:
... while Typhoon can't compete [with the F-35A] in price to performance for ground attack.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 20 Oct 2020, 04:28
by Corsair1963
Odds very much favor the Spanish Navy acquiring the F-35B for the Juan Carlos LHD. So, I wouldn't rule out some F-35A's for the Air Force....


As I said above it likely would be a mixed buy of Typhoons, F-35A's and F-35B's. With the former satisfying domestic needs...

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 20 Oct 2020, 18:01
by talkitron
Spain's new Eurofighter purchase is going ahead.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... ect-halcon

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 20 Oct 2020, 23:04
by Corsair1963
talkitron wrote:Spain's new Eurofighter purchase is going ahead.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... ect-halcon



This just supports the earlier article. That said they would replace the replace Hornets based on the Canary Islands with 20 more Typhoons. While, leaving the door open to replace the remaining Hornets with the Super Hornet or F-35.....


Sounds like that may very well be the plan. :wink:

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 21 Oct 2020, 12:49
by jakobs
Corsair1963 wrote:This just supports the earlier article. That said they would replace the replace Hornets based on the Canary Islands with 20 more Typhoons. While, leaving the door open to replace the remaining Hornets with the Super Hornet or F-35.....


Sounds like that may very well be the plan. :wink:


A country with an active assembly line of fighter jets, buying a foreign fighter? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it's not going to happen.

I'm not even sure the Spanish navy will get to keep flying fast jets in the future, when the Harriers is out.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 26 Oct 2020, 14:19
by franfran2424
Corsair1963 wrote:From what I've read sounds like the Air Force is pitching a mix buy of Typhoons and F-35A's to replace the Hornets. While, the F-35B would replace the Harriers for the Navy.

As for the F-35 not competing in price and ground attack. That is laughable and not supported by fact....


I have heard rumours too, but they are all under tight budgets. There's talks of whether they should maintain the navy air wing even, although it's unlikely to happen.
The F-35A is more expensive to operate (per hour cost) and carries less ordnance than the ground attack Typhoon. It is not likely to be chosen because of cost.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 26 Oct 2020, 22:42
by ricnunes
franfran2424 wrote:The F-35A is more expensive to operate (per hour cost)


The Danes during their evaluation and competition completely disagreed with you.

franfran2424 wrote:and carries less ordnance than the ground attack Typhoon. It is not likely to be chosen because of cost.


Really??

Show me a Typhoon being able to carry 24 x SDBs or 6 x GBU-31 (2000lb) bombs... :roll:

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 27 Oct 2020, 00:48
by madrat
Sounds like a trick request. Did the EF even qualify JDAM?

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It's not exactly weight restricted.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 27 Oct 2020, 04:50
by Corsair1963
madrat wrote:Sounds like a trick request. Did the EF even qualify JDAM?

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It's not exactly weight restricted.



Those are 1,000 lbs Paveway II variants known as the "Mark 13/18"......... :wink:

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 27 Oct 2020, 05:00
by Corsair1963
The F-35A/C can easily carry six GBU-31's (2,000 lbs) and even go "supersonic". Your not even going to see a Strike Eagle do that........


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Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 27 Oct 2020, 13:04
by madrat
Its not like Typhoon hasn't tested Paveway II, III, and JDAM. The UK opted for their Paveway IV.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 27 Oct 2020, 16:39
by sprstdlyscottsmn
franfran2424 wrote:The F-35A ... carries less ordnance than the ground attack Typhoon.

The issue was this quote, which was demonstrably false. It wasn't an LGB/JDAM argument, it was the "less ord" argument. the ability to carry 8x250# class weapons AND 4x2,000#class weapons AND 4xAAMs AND the targeting equipment AND the ECM AND the fuel to get them over a long range. IIRC the Typhoon only has three pylons rated for 2,000# class ord, and those are the fuel pylons.

The impressive part of that Tiffy picture is the 6x1,000# class precision weapons AND 6xAAMs. It is just lacking the targeting equipment.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 27 Oct 2020, 23:24
by ricnunes
Corsair1963 wrote:
madrat wrote:Sounds like a trick request. Did the EF even qualify JDAM?

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It's not exactly weight restricted.



Those are 1,000 lbs Paveway II variants known as the "Mark 13/18"......... :wink:


Absolutely!


sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:
franfran2424 wrote:The F-35A ... carries less ordnance than the ground attack Typhoon.

The issue was this quote, which was demonstrably false. It wasn't an LGB/JDAM argument, it was the "less ord" argument. the ability to carry 8x250# class weapons AND 4x2,000#class weapons AND 4xAAMs AND the targeting equipment AND the ECM AND the fuel to get them over a long range. IIRC the Typhoon only has three pylons rated for 2,000# class ord, and those are the fuel pylons.

The impressive part of that Tiffy picture is the 6x1,000# class precision weapons AND 6xAAMs. It is just lacking the targeting equipment.


Absolutely as well!
At best the Typhoon can carry 3 x 2000lb ordinance/bombs which is exactly half the F-35A/C maximum capability with the same type of ordinance and then again if the Typhoon carried those three (3) potential 2000lb ordinance/bombs this would be done at the cost of not being able to carry a targeting pod at all which in the case of the Typhoon is usually carried on the centerline fuselage pylon.

Speaking of which where's the targeting pod in the Typhoon's photo above with the 6 x 1000lb LGBs?? :roll:

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 28 Oct 2020, 00:07
by Corsair1963
This argument that many 4/4.5 Generation Fighters can carry a larger external load than the F-35. Is not supported by the facts. Especially, in the context of payload vs range!


As most 4/4.5 Generation Fighters have to carry at least 2-3 External Tanks to have any range at all. Then the weight of the former has to be taken away from the maximum payload (gross weight) that the aircraft can lift. Which, reduces it by a considerable margin. Nor, does this take into account. The far higher drag from carrying all of the external weapons and fuel outside the aircraft.


This is why even the Strike Eagle doesn't compare well with the F-35A/C.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 28 Oct 2020, 00:10
by Corsair1963
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:
franfran2424 wrote:The F-35A ... carries less ordnance than the ground attack Typhoon.

The issue was this quote, which was demonstrably false. It wasn't an LGB/JDAM argument, it was the "less ord" argument. the ability to carry 8x250# class weapons AND 4x2,000#class weapons AND 4xAAMs AND the targeting equipment AND the ECM AND the fuel to get them over a long range. IIRC the Typhoon only has three pylons rated for 2,000# class ord, and those are the fuel pylons.

The impressive part of that Tiffy picture is the 6x1,000# class precision weapons AND 6xAAMs. It is just lacking the targeting equipment.



What's the range of the Typhoon with those 6 - 1,000 lbs PGM's and 6 - AAM's. With just a single centerline fuel tank??? :wink:

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 28 Oct 2020, 01:53
by sprstdlyscottsmn
Less than 590nm I'd wager.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 28 Oct 2020, 02:14
by madrat
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Less than 590nm I'd wager.


Is F-35A rated at 590nm carrying six 2000-pound class weapons? I would assume two AIM-9X, too.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 28 Oct 2020, 02:55
by sprstdlyscottsmn
Not sure, but it was said that an F-35 going that far with two internal one ton bombs would still have 7-8,000lb of fuel when they landed. Even increasing the fuel burn by 50% makes that possible with reserves.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 28 Oct 2020, 03:13
by spazsinbad

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 29 Oct 2020, 18:17
by franfran2424
[quote="ricnunes"]
[quote="franfran2424"]
The F-35A ... carries less ordnance than the ground attack Typhoon.[/quote]

The issue was this quote, which was demonstrably false. It wasn't an LGB/JDAM argument, it was the "less ord" argument. the ability to carry 8x250# class weapons AND 4x2,000#class weapons AND 4xAAMs AND the targeting equipment AND the ECM AND the fuel to get them over a long range. IIRC the Typhoon only has three pylons rated for 2,000# class ord, and those are the fuel pylons.

At best the Typhoon can carry 3 x 2000lb ordinance/bombs which is exactly half the F-35A/C maximum capability with the same type of ordinance and then again if the Typhoon carried those three (3) potential 2000lb ordinance/bombs this would be done at the cost of not being able to carry a targeting pod at all which in the case of the Typhoon is usually carried on the centerline fuselage pylon.
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The typhoon has 13 pylons which can carry up to 9000kg (7000kg if operating with a full fuel tank). 8 underwing, 5 under fuselage. 1 of those would be the targeting pod.

The F-35A has 10 pylons that can carry up to 8200kg. 4 internal, 6 external.

I don't know where does the confusion come from. It has more pylons, more max weight... It's better for ground attack considering fuel consumption too

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 29 Oct 2020, 19:04
by sprstdlyscottsmn
franfran2424 wrote:The typhoon has 13 pylons which can carry up to 9000kg (7000kg if operating with a full fuel tank). 8 underwing, 5 under fuselage. 1 of those would be the targeting pod.

The F-35A has 10 pylons that can carry up to 8200kg. 4 internal, 6 external.

I don't know where does the confusion come from. It has more pylons, more max weight... It's better for ground attack considering fuel consumption too

Because it actually isn't that simple. Let's talk real weight first. Max-empty-internal fuel

Typhoon - 51,809-24,251-11,010 = 16,548 (7522kg)
F-35A - 70,000-29,300-18,250 = 22,450 (10,204kg, but pylon weight limited to 8,200kg)

The F-35A has a higher weight margin and the margin is so large that even putting the heaviest load possible on each pylon will not result in reaching max take-off weight.

Now let's talk pylons for an AG mission.

Typhoon - 13 pylons. 6 are dedicated AA pylons and 1 of the remaining pylons will carry the TGP. It has 6 AG pylons remaining. As we have discussed, only two of these are rated for large weapons.

F-35A - 11 pylons. Centerline will not be used as of now, but it is still there. 4 of the remaining 10 are dedicated AA pylons. It has 6 AG pylons and they are all rated for large weapons.

Same number of AG pylons, more high weight pylons on the F-35A, more weight capacity on the F-35A.


Assuming the AA pylons (not internal or semi-recessed) weigh 150lb and the AG pylons weight 300lb

Typhoon - 936kg of AAMs, 1,091kg of pylons, 208kg targeting pod. 5,287kg capacity for the 6 pylons with 4 of them limited to 500kg class weapons. Before adding AG weapons the Typhoon has a fuel fraction of 0.274 with a sensitivity of -0.014 per 1,000kg of added munitions.

F-35A - 475kg of AAMs, 682kg of pylons. 7,043kg capacity for the 6 pylons, 4 of them rated to 1,000kg class weapons while the other two are rated for 2,500kg class. Before adding AG weapons the F-35A has a fuel fraction of 0.364 with a sensitivity of -0.015 per 1,000kg of added munitions.

So, the F-35A has just as many AG stations as a Typhoon, can carry more on each station both based on station rating and MGTOW limits, and has a higher relative fuel load to carry to payload farther. If the Typhoon wants to add range it has to sacrifice the only two heavy stations it has.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 05 Nov 2020, 14:34
by falcon.16
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:

Assuming the AA pylons (not internal or semi-recessed) weigh 150lb and the AG pylons weight 300lb

Typhoon - 936kg of AAMs, 1,091kg of pylons, 208kg targeting pod. 5,287kg capacity for the 6 pylons with 4 of them limited to 500kg class weapons. Before adding AG weapons the Typhoon has a fuel fraction of 0.274 with a sensitivity of -0.014 per 1,000kg of added munitions.




I dont understand where you get those numbers, can you explain it better?

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 05 Nov 2020, 16:17
by hornetfinn
EF Typhoon carries 5 tonnes of internal fuel while F-35A carries 8.3 tonnes. That's whopping 66% more internal fuel for F-35A. F-35A is less than 20 percent heavier (especially considering it carries targeting pod as standard) and has about 10 percent more thrust. So it will fly a lot further than EF Typhoon with the same loadout. EF Typhoon would need CFTs and all 3 EFTs to get close to F-35A range. That'd limit the max A/G loadout to 2 heavy weapons or 4 light bombs (1,000 lbs or less) or 2 heavy and 2 light bombs. F-35 on the other hand can carry 6 heavy weapons or say 4 heavy and 4-8 light weapons. I don't think EF Typhoon is competitive in payload and range with F-35A in real life configurations. For very short range work with small bombs it might have equal payload.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 05 Nov 2020, 17:06
by sprstdlyscottsmn
falcon.16 wrote:
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:

Assuming the AA pylons (not internal or semi-recessed) weigh 150lb and the AG pylons weight 300lb

Typhoon - 936kg of AAMs, 1,091kg of pylons, 208kg targeting pod. 5,287kg capacity for the 6 pylons with 4 of them limited to 500kg class weapons. Before adding AG weapons the Typhoon has a fuel fraction of 0.274 with a sensitivity of -0.014 per 1,000kg of added munitions.




I dont understand where you get those numbers, can you explain it better?

Which numbers?

AAM weight was just looking up the weight for 4 Meteors and two ASRAAMs, pylons were assumed in the quoted portion so I did 2 AA pylons and 7 AG pylons, targeting pod is looked up for LITENING II or SNIPER.

I had previously discussed the weight availability after internal fuel so I subtracted the weight for the AA weapons, pylons, and TGP to get the weight available for AG munitions.

Fuel fraction was weight of fuel divided by total weight at that point and the sensitivity was showing how quickly the fuel fraction changed with added munitions.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2020, 11:54
by falcon.16
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:
falcon.16 wrote:
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:

Assuming the AA pylons (not internal or semi-recessed) weigh 150lb and the AG pylons weight 300lb

Typhoon - 936kg of AAMs, 1,091kg of pylons, 208kg targeting pod. 5,287kg capacity for the 6 pylons with 4 of them limited to 500kg class weapons. Before adding AG weapons the Typhoon has a fuel fraction of 0.274 with a sensitivity of -0.014 per 1,000kg of added munitions.




I dont understand where you get those numbers, can you explain it better?

Which numbers?

AAM weight was just looking up the weight for 4 Meteors and two ASRAAMs, pylons were assumed in the quoted portion so I did 2 AA pylons and 7 AG pylons, targeting pod is looked up for LITENING II or SNIPER.

I had previously discussed the weight availability after internal fuel so I subtracted the weight for the AA weapons, pylons, and TGP to get the weight available for AG munitions.

Fuel fraction was weight of fuel divided by total weight at that point and the sensitivity was showing how quickly the fuel fraction changed with added munitions.


Thanks.

Re: SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2020, 13:57
by sprstdlyscottsmn
np