SPAIN: Typhoons and F-35's to replace Hornets???

Program progress, politics, orders, and speculation
  • Author
  • Message
Offline

sunstersun

Active Member

Active Member

  • Posts: 190
  • Joined: 12 Jul 2017, 06:50

Unread post23 Nov 2021, 20:28

Realistically there's no way there's gonna be an A order.

20 B orders and call it a day.

They have the domestic typhoon and FCAS aspirations
Offline

Corsair1963

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 8026
  • Joined: 19 Dec 2005, 04:14

Unread post24 Nov 2021, 02:27

falcon.16 wrote:FCAS on 2040 is very optimist, i think will be more into middle 40s, with first operative squadron between 45-50.

That is very later, and FCAS can be a fantactic plane or a fiasco plane, maybe first units come with limited sensors or interin engine plant. The best option is get now F-35A and we will see how will be FCAS proyect. With Typhoon was many problems with Germany, can be same again.


Yes, the FCAS is still very much a concept and so is the Tempest. Plus, with the recent talk of another merge of the two programs. So, even 2040 is an optimistic date....

Even then production will ramp up slowly and be split between multiple partners. Which, would replace the older 4.5 Generation Rafales or Typhoons first.....

Clearly, buying a modest number of F-35's interim makes a great deal of sense.
Offline

Corsair1963

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 8026
  • Joined: 19 Dec 2005, 04:14

Unread post24 Nov 2021, 02:43

sunstersun wrote:Realistically there's no way there's gonna be an A order.

20 B orders and call it a day.

They have the domestic typhoon and FCAS aspirations


The FCAS won't arrive until 2040 and maybe later. Even then it would take years before Spain could acquire enough to just replace her older Typhoons. (let alone the majority)

Yet, the Spanish Navy would get the F-35B. While, the Air Force would have to soldier on for a good twenty years without a Stealth Fighter of their own....
Offline
User avatar

ricnunes

Elite 3K

Elite 3K

  • Posts: 3540
  • Joined: 02 Mar 2017, 14:29

Unread post24 Nov 2021, 13:51

sunstersun wrote:Realistically there's no way there's gonna be an A order.

20 B orders and call it a day.

They have the domestic typhoon and FCAS aspirations


Yeah sure, just like when Spain joined the Eurofighter Typhoon program in 1983 (it was called "Future European Fighter Aircraft" back then) but even then purchased the American F/A-18 receiving the first batches in 1985 (while it received the first Typhoon in 2004) :roll:

So, the more I look into this the more similarities I find between the F/A-18 in the 1980's and the F-35A nowadays and the Eurofighter Typhoon in the 1980's and FCAS nowadays when it comes to Spain.

And yes, I fully agree with Corsair - Realistically there's no way there's gonna be a FCAS aircraft in service in 2040 or earlier :wink:
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 26624
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post24 Nov 2021, 21:03

Berlin Security Conference: Spain considers Eurofighter, F-35 for Hornet, Harrier replacement
24 Nov 2021 Gareth Jennings

"Spain has requested information on both the Eurofighter Typhoon and Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II as potential replacements for its current Boeing EF-18 Hornet and McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II aircraft.

The Spanish Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed to Janes ahead of the Berlin Security Conference that it has issued requests for information (RFIs) for both the enhanced Long Term Evolution (LTE) version of the Eurofighter, as well as both the F-35A and short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B to meet these needs.

“[The] Spanish MoD is studying possible candidates for Hornet and Harrier replacement, and has sent a request for information about F-35A and F-35B to the US government,” the ministry told Janes on 22 November, adding, “[The] MoD is working on the definition of a new version of Eurofighter called Long Term Evolution”.

Confirmation of the requests comes some weeks after Janes..." [nonsubscriber]

Source: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/air- ... eplacement
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline

Corsair1963

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 8026
  • Joined: 19 Dec 2005, 04:14

Unread post25 Nov 2021, 04:01

Sounds more and more like Spain is definitely interested in the F-35........... :wink:
Offline

optimist

Elite 1K

Elite 1K

  • Posts: 1528
  • Joined: 20 Nov 2014, 03:34
  • Location: australia

Unread post25 Nov 2021, 07:39

This is after the denials of the defence minister. I think the original plan was to say nothing. Get some f-35b aboard their carrier. When the French see them and dummy spit. Say: What, those old things. We've had them for ages. 8)
Last edited by optimist on 25 Nov 2021, 07:43, edited 1 time in total.
Aussie fanboy
Offline

Corsair1963

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 8026
  • Joined: 19 Dec 2005, 04:14

Unread post25 Nov 2021, 07:42

Sounds like Spain is testing the waters............. :wink:
Offline

Corsair1963

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 8026
  • Joined: 19 Dec 2005, 04:14

Unread post25 Nov 2021, 07:48

"The Spanish government has no budget to enter into any other jet project in addition to the one that is already in place. We rule out entering the F35 project. Our investment commitment is in the FCAS," the defence ministry spokeswoman told Reuters.


I take the above quote as Spain not joining or entering into another fighter program. Says nothing about not buying another fighter from such a program....
Offline
User avatar

ricnunes

Elite 3K

Elite 3K

  • Posts: 3540
  • Joined: 02 Mar 2017, 14:29

Unread post25 Nov 2021, 15:59

Corsair1963 wrote:
"The Spanish government has no budget to enter into any other jet project in addition to the one that is already in place. We rule out entering the F35 project. Our investment commitment is in the FCAS," the defence ministry spokeswoman told Reuters.


I take the above quote as Spain not joining or entering into another fighter program. Says nothing about not buying another fighter from such a program....


Exactly!
And here there are again more similarities between the Spanish F/A-18 and Typhoon fleets.
Spain simply purchased the F/A-18 but never joined its program and anything like that while at the same time time it joined the Typhoon program and later also bought it.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
Previous

Return to Program and politics

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: luke_sandoz and 39 guests