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Unread post06 Dec 2020, 23:29

Wasn't it already included in the bill a last year/the year before that that the S-400 deal was major and needed to be sanctioned? I'm pretty sure it was, still nothing happened.
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Unread post07 Dec 2020, 05:46

element1loop wrote:This is a going to make it rather difficult to work closely with the Indian armed forces.



Clearly, a deal between the US and India for the F-35. Would be very much in the interests of both nation. Yet, how do they work around the Turkey problem???

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Unread post07 Dec 2020, 06:43

Corsair1963 wrote:
element1loop wrote:This is a going to make it rather difficult to work closely with the Indian armed forces.



Clearly, a deal between the US and India for the F-35. Would be very much in the interests of both nation. Yet, how do they work around the Turkey problem???

:|

What Turkey problem?

I think as pondering pundits we complicate things too much. If we learn nothing from Russian and Chinese diplomacy, we should realize they/you/we don't have to be consistent and fair. Let the little snowflakes run away crying.

What problem. Tell Turkey to go sit on a stick because we don't like their ugly faces. End of issue,...
they chose to leave the West.
Tell India, now you have an S-400 problem ... what's your thoughts on how you can deal with it ... If India is in love with shiny S-400's then I guess they don't want F-35s. Very simple, no problem at all.

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Unread post07 Dec 2020, 06:49

blindpilot wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:
element1loop wrote:This is a going to make it rather difficult to work closely with the Indian armed forces.



Clearly, a deal between the US and India for the F-35. Would be very much in the interests of both nation. Yet, how do they work around the Turkey problem???

:|

What Turkey problem?

I think as pondering pundits we complicate things too much. If we learn nothing from Russian and Chinese diplomacy, we should realize they/you/we don't have to be consistent and fair. Let the little snowflakes run away crying.

What problem. Tell Turkey to go sit on a stick because we don't like their ugly faces. End of issue,...
they chose to leave the West.
Tell India, now you have an S-400 problem ... what's your thoughts on how you can deal with it ... If India is in love with shiny S-400's then I guess they don't want F-35s. Very simple, no problem at all.

MHO anyway,
BP


That would be great. If, the world actually worked that way..... :|
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Unread post14 Dec 2020, 20:42

It looks like the sanctions have arrived.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-po ... b05a67191b
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Unread post15 Dec 2020, 10:38

Did you guys see this tweet about Denying the U.S. passage through the straight?
Or kicking out The us from bases?



https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/1 ... 8749209601
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Unread post15 Dec 2020, 21:42

US Sanctions Turkey Over S-400 Buy
14 Dec 2020 Jennifer-Leigh Oprihory

"The State Department on Dec. 14 announced sanctions against Turkey’s Presidency of Defense Industries (SSB) over the country’s purchase of the Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile system—a move the Trump administration has threatened for more than a year.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo carried out the sanctions allowed by the 2017 Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which lets the U.S. government retaliate against those who do significant business with entities connected to Russia’s defense or intelligence sectors.

Pompeo said that SSB’s dealings with Russia defense-export agency Rosoboronexport to obtain the S-400 triggered CAATSA sanctions. Buying the S-400 reportedly cost more than $2 billion, according to the Associated Press. The air defense systems began arriving in Turkey in mid-2019.

The State Department said the sanctions are intended to “impose costs on Russia in response to its wide range of malign activities,” and not to undermine Turkey’s “military capabilities or combat readiness.”...

...American lawmakers have urged the executive branch to levy CAATSA sanctions, and added a provision in the fiscal 2021 defense policy bill to make them mandatory.

In October, a bipartisan pair of senators sent a letter to Pompeo pushing for sanctions amid worries that Turkey may have used the S-400 system to track American-made F-16s. The jets were returning from an August exercise that Cyprus, France, Greece, and Italy held in response to Turkish aggression in the Mediterranean Sea, Air Force Magazine previously reported."

Source: https://www.airforcemag.com/us-sanction ... s-400-buy/
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