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Unread post09 Jun 2021, 04:06

Interesting.........what is Turkey getting in return for this???


Turkey To Take Over Kabul International Airport From NATO

By Yusuf Çetiner in Afghanistan, Aviation, Daily News, NATO, Turkey, USA  June 8, 2021

An Afghan government official told The National that, as part of a $130 million arrangement with NATO, the Turkish government has agreed to take over Kabul’s major airport, Hamid Karzai International Airport.

Turkey has agreed to take charge of Kabul International Airport once NATO forces leave Afghanistan in early September. Due to the recent escalation of violence in Afghanistan’s capital, the future of the airport is in doubt.

Hamid Karzai International Airport (KBL) is 16 kilometers from Kabul, Afghanistan’s capital. It serves as both the country’s primary airport and a military base.

The Hamid Karzai airport is also currently housing both military and civilian aircraft from NATO member countries. The diplomatic community is growing increasingly anxious about the security of subsequent entry and exit from Afghanistan as the 11 September deadline for US and NATO army withdrawals approaches. General Mark A. Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated in May that talks with NATO allies on how to best safeguard the airport were underway.

The terms of the deal between Turkey and NATO, as well as the exact takeover date, have still not been confirmed, according to the Afghan official. The agreement was also confirmed by a second, unnamed, senior Afghan official.

Local authorities told The National that they are concerned about the Afghan government’s ability to handle its international airports safely and securely following the withdrawal. “We don’t have the capacity to run the airports with Afghans alone due to a lack of expertise, nor do we have the financial ability to bring in private contractors” one official said.

Since 2003, Turkish soldiers have been stationed in Afghanistan as part of the NATO mission, though they do not participate in military operations. Ankara has also stepped up its diplomatic efforts in the crisis, accepting a proposal from Washington for peace talks between Taliban rebels and the Afghan government in Kabul earlier this year. The Taliban withdrew their backing, and the peace talks, which had been slated for April, never got off the ground.

While the agreement relieves international governments and organizations, many problems will persist even if Turkey operates the Kabul airport. However, Afghan Aviation Authority official Mahmood Shah Habibi feels that the fact that Turkey has accepted responsibility for the Kabul airport will allay some fears.

“This will provide assurances to the international community and it is a better solution because the Taliban have never attacked the Turks, However, it should be a joint venture with the Afghan government or responsibility should be transferred over to Afghans in the next year.” said Mahmood Shah Habibi.

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Unread post10 Jun 2021, 18:08

Corsair1963 wrote:Interesting.........what is Turkey getting in return for this???



An attempt to become a leader or leading nation among the 'Islamic world', perhaps??

Others like blindpilot for example have stated that Erdogan has this delusional plan/desire to 'rebuild' the Ottoman Empire (which I agree) and the above would sure be a step to try to accomplish/implement such 'plan'.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post10 Jun 2021, 18:40

blindpilot wrote:Finally. What "some here WANT" is a return of Ataturk's Turkey. Nothing more and nothing less. F-35's and 1980's want-a-be tech aren't even in view of what is "wanted," and is meaningless to the elephant in the room. It's not S-400 or F-35. It's Erdogan or Ataturk, and only the Turkish people can make that choice. If they choose Erdogan it will not be pretty ... Russia will devour them like a wolf on a lamb. And the western world will sigh and turn their back.

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And how you see Russia devour them exactly? I mean Russia didn't devour Ukraine which isn't military power nor isn't part of NATO and is lot more important to Russia then Turkey?
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Unread post11 Jun 2021, 19:43

milosh wrote:... I mean Russia didn't devour Ukraine which ... is lot more important to Russia then Turkey?


???? ! Say what? .... They certainly took the parts "important to them" in a matter of weeks. Many in Crimea and Donbas might take issue with your characterization.

But my point was long term, that as history shows the Russians will at times their choosing with occasional light pressuring, move to deal with the Turks. The very existence of Bulgaria, Romania, and Caucasus areas like Georgia (Batum) reflect this truth. From the 1500's till 1921, the Ottoman Empire has experienced one disaster after another in conflict with Russia. Long term, that trend continues without the west jumping in as they did in the 19th century. And if Erdogan doesn't want the west, they certainly won't jump in. They have the rest of the "devoured Ottoman Empire", Bulgaria, Romania, Georgia, etc. and Greece as a regional presence.

The core truth is that the west liked and embraced Ataturk's Turkey. But if a new path is chosen, they don't have the time of day for the Ottoman's. NATO allied with Ataturk, not the thieves who have locked his disciples in prison. It just takes a delicate political dance to untangle the historical knots. So all appears calm on the surface. But the core truths remain, and the churning waters beneath are viscious.

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Unread post12 Jun 2021, 08:57

@blindpilot

Kiev is still not part of Russia and it means a lot for Russians. So what they took is still much less important for Russian history then Kiev.

Crimea was part of Ukraine not because folks want that but because of Nikita, in 1954 he gave it to Ukraine as present. Overwhemling population are Russians on Crimea.

So we can say Russia only devour small part of East Ukraine.
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Unread post12 Jun 2021, 11:26

milosh wrote:@blindpilot

Kiev is still not part of Russia and it means a lot for Russians. So what they took is still much less important for Russian history then Kiev.

Crimea was part of Ukraine not because folks want that but because of Nikita, in 1954 he gave it to Ukraine as present. Overwhemling population are Russians on Crimea.

So we can say Russia only devour small part of East Ukraine.


No, citizens on East of ukraine, are not russian people , but they are ukranian people who talk russian language.

Mexico citizens talk spanish language, but they are not spanish people. Putin propaganda work for people get confussion on those concepts.
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Unread post12 Jun 2021, 16:02

milosh wrote:.....
Kiev ... Crimea ... So we can say Russia only devour small part of East Ukraine.


ROFL ROFL :lmao: :lmao: oh That's precious. I needed you to argue with my mom when "I didn't take the cookie from the jar." It didn't go well for me when I tried that style of quibbling argument.

However, back to the question and my answer -

But my point was long term, that as history shows the Russians will at times their choosing with occasional light pressuring, move to deal with the Turks. The very existence of Bulgaria, Romania, and Caucasus areas like Georgia (Batum) reflect this truth. From the 1500's till 1921, the Ottoman Empire has experienced one disaster after another in conflict with Russia.


Without the West, nothing will change from that which has happened for 500+ years. Indeed, it was the West that kicked Russia "out of Crimea" for the Ottomans back in the 1850's, to no avail as Russia quickly remedied the issue(devoured Ottomans) by 1878. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it until they do.

My passion is not against Turkey and Turkish people. It is for the love of them and the anger at Erdogan's betrayal of Turkey. The guy is a "flippin idiot" and some very good people suffer for that reality... good people who built the modern economic strength pointed at here, now in jeopardy of being squandered and lost.

Meanwhile, Lockheed has secured outside F-35 production for the Turkish parts, and in the next year or so will multi source other outside companies, to get the competitive pricing back in line. The changeover will be a ripple in the pond... for the F-35. ...

As for Turkey .... 'um ... not so much. :(

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Unread post13 Jun 2021, 11:13

falcon.16 wrote:
milosh wrote:@blindpilot

Kiev is still not part of Russia and it means a lot for Russians. So what they took is still much less important for Russian history then Kiev.

Crimea was part of Ukraine not because folks want that but because of Nikita, in 1954 he gave it to Ukraine as present. Overwhelming population are Russians on Crimea.

So we can say Russia only devour small part of East Ukraine.


No, citizens on East of ukraine, are not russian people , but they are ukranian people who talk russian language.

Mexico citizens talk spanish language, but they are not spanish people. Putin propaganda work for people get confussion on those concepts.


I wrote population of Crimea not east Ukraine.

@blindpilot

No one kicked Russians from Crimea in 1850s I really don't know why westerns think that happened that was prime goal of war but it didn't happen.War was Russian defeat but it lead to much minor gains for winners and lead to next war with Ottomans which practically lead to Ottomans downfall.

Btw you probable don't know but it was Soviet Russia which only supported Kemalists in Turkey and without gold and weapons Kemalists wouldn't be able to became leading force in Turkey. Soviet Russia was first state that formally recognized Ataturk's Turkey.

So if you look non tzar's Russia, relation with Turkey are in fact quite good so image of Russia invading Turkey if Turkey don't buy F-35 or leave NATO is pure nonsense. That was what I try to explain but you think Vlad is just waiting that to happen so he can do what? Retake Constantinople?!?

Nope it wouldn't happen no matter what jackass Erdo is.
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Unread post14 Jun 2021, 05:58

Erdogan Says US Can Rely on Turkey Once Troops Leave Afghanistan

Erdogan said he will discuss the issue in his first face-to-face meeting with US President Joe Biden.

Amidst talks on handing over responsibilities of the security of Kabul airport to Turkish forces, Turkey President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Sunday said his country would be the "only reliable" country left to stabilize Afghanistan after the US pulls out its troops, indicating Washington could rely on its NATO ally.

Quoted by AFP, Erdogan said he will discuss the issue in his first face-to-face meeting with US President Joe Biden on the margins of a NATO summit in Brussels on Monday.

"America is preparing to leave Afghanistan soon and from the moment they leave, the only reliable country to maintain the process over there is obviously Turkey," Erdogan told reporters at an Istanbul airport on Sunday before leaving for Brussels as quoted by AFP.

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Unread post14 Jun 2021, 06:11

‘NATO vital for Turkey’s national security, peace in region’

Fahrettin Altun says NATO must redefine its strategic concept after changing regional security dynamics in last 10 years.

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) must acknowledge the national priorities of its member states and guarantee them support in times of need to meet new global security challenges, Turkey’s presidential communications director said Sunday.

“The alliance needs to have a clear vision to meet new security challenges and a commitment to member support,” Fahrettin Altun said in an op-ed for the Al Jazeera English website.

In the article, titled “Turkey’s vision for NATO in an era of global challenges,” Altun underlined the need for the alliance to update its strategic concept in the wake of the changing regional security dynamics in the past decade.

He said Turkey has always been at the forefront of confronting the challenges facing the common security of the alliance.

Turkey’s participation in critically important NATO missions around the world, including in Afghanistan and Iraq, and hosting of strategic NATO assets on its territory proves its “robust commitment” to the alliance, he stressed.

“We consider NATO indispensable for our nation’s security and for peace in our region” he noted.

Altun stressed that Turkey is ready to pay its fair share “to ensure the collective security for our alliance.”

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan arrived Sunday in Brussels, Belgium to attend Monday’s NATO summit, which will be held with the participation of the leaders of alliance member countries.

Leaders of NATO countries will discuss the path that the military alliance will follow over the next decade in the face of challenges such as China, Russia and cyber threats.

They will gather at NATO headquarters in Brussels for the first time since 2018.

Erdogan will meet with US President Joe Biden – their first meeting since Biden took office – as well as with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other world leaders.


https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/-nato-v ... n-/2272753
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Unread post14 Jun 2021, 07:55

All Corsair1963 cares about is selling F-35 and proving how good it is. At this point the better question is what country he doesn’t want to sell the F-35 to.

He’ll ignore all evidence about Turkey because somehow another F-35 order is a “win”.
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Unread post14 Jun 2021, 09:09

disconnectedradical wrote:All Corsair1963 cares about is selling F-35 and proving how good it is. At this point the better question is what country he doesn’t want to sell the F-35 to.

He’ll ignore all evidence about Turkey because somehow another F-35 order is a “win”.



I am ignoring nothing. Nor, do I really favor Turkey as a F-35 customer. I am simply pointing out. That Turkey is very likely to remain a member of NATO. (keyword VERY)...In addition the issue over the S400. Will be resolved at some point in my opinion.


Some may or may not like that. Yet, it won't change the fact....... :?


Again in my opinion 8)
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Unread post15 Jun 2021, 05:26

Erdogan, Biden hold first face-to-face meeting on sidelines of NATO summit

Updated 11:25, 15-Jun-2021

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Monday that he held a "fruitful and sincere" meeting with U.S. President Joe Biden.

In their first face-to-face meeting on the fringes of the NATO summit, the two leaders discussed a variety of issues including the global fight against the COVID-19 pandemic and the vaccine situation.

"There are no outstanding problems between the United States and Turkey that cannot be solved. On the contrary, there are many areas where we could focus on prospective and fruitful cooperation," Erdogan told journalists at a news conference.

"Our history goes back a long time and we managed to exchange views on a vast area of issues. We also focused on the incidents on which we have different opinions and, in a very constructive fashion, talked about areas where we could further explore cooperation," he said.

"We agreed on the necessity to effectively use dialogue channels between our nations in a regular fashion so, at the end of the day, it was a very fruitful and very sincere meeting. We also underlined the fact that bilateral cooperation should be revitalized," he added.

Describing his relationship with Biden as "long-standing," Erdogan said he invited Biden to visit Turkey, adding that Biden indicated that he might pay a visit once his intense schedule allows it.

Addressing a separate press conference, Biden also mentioned the meeting: "We had a positive and productive meeting, much of it one-on-one. We had detailed discussions about how to proceed on a number of issues ... Our teams are going to continue our discussions and I'm confident we will make real progress with Turkey and the United States."


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