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Unread post05 Sep 2022, 02:18

spazsinbad wrote:Lots of verbiage that is irrelevant to Switzerland except excerpts below that raise a question: WHY? What's the reason?

They are tree huggers. They don't want any military.
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Unread post05 Sep 2022, 02:47

optimist wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:Lots of verbiage that is irrelevant to Switzerland except excerpts below that raise a question: WHY? What's the reason?

They are tree huggers. They don't want any military.



Sounds like their chances are pretty poor this time............... :wink:
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Unread post05 Sep 2022, 16:44

optimist wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:Lots of verbiage that is irrelevant to Switzerland except excerpts below that raise a question: WHY? What's the reason?

They are tree huggers. They don't want any military.


Indeed.
And what's even worse if that the events in Ukraine apparently didn't teach anything to people like that. :roll:
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post05 Sep 2022, 17:48

Shame the journo couldn't tell the difference between a referendum and a ballot initiative, but they're all like that these days...
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Unread post13 Sep 2022, 04:26

National Council Commission approves F-35 procurement
September 12, 2022


Green light for the fighter jet

National Council Commission approves F-35 procurement


The Security Commission of the National Council is clearly in favor of the procurement of the new fighter jet. Approval for the F-35A is also expected in the National Council on September 15th.

The responsible commission, headed by SVP National Councilor Mauro Tuena, gives the green light.

The Security Policy Commission of the National Council (SiK-N), headed by Mauro Tuena (50, SVP), has spoken out in favor of the procurement of the F-35A fighter jet. The SiK-N requested its council on Monday with 17 votes to eight to procure 36 such combat aircraft. The National Council will decide on the business on September 15th.

For the majority of the SiK-N it is clear that the technical evaluation was legally correct, according to a statement. The federal procurement agency, Armasuisse, guaranteed the equal treatment of providers and an objectified and comprehensible procedure.

“No other choice”
The Federal Council had “no choice” but to propose the procurement of the F-35A, it said. Of the four aircraft types evaluated, this achieved the best results in terms of efficiency and costs.

On the other hand, the minority of the commission criticized the fact that the evaluation procedure remained unclear on several points and that the providers were not treated equally. The weighting of certain criteria was changed during the procedure.

Various requests to clarify open questions for the minority – such as who would have to bear any additional costs – were rejected, the statement said.

The audit commission did not criticize the procedure last week, but did criticize the information policy of Defense Minister Viola Amherd (60). (SDA)

https://switzerlandtimes.ch/politics/na ... gpHQfIysTY
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Unread post14 Sep 2022, 00:33

RMR_22 wrote:
optimist wrote:How much will France have to pay the Swiss to take them?

Enough to buy F-35s and at the same time be able to store the Rafale :devil:

It looks like the ship has sailed, leaving them on the wharf.
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Unread post15 Sep 2022, 13:56

Apparently the Swiss parliament has approved the F-35 purchase.

https://twitter.com/vbs_ddps/status/1570391868839526401
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Unread post19 Sep 2022, 14:45

It is good that it is over, they can start putting plans into effect.

The Rafale lost the previous comps to politics, the French say. They have the swiss comp where the political choice was said to be France. The comp didn't allow enough for politics and chose the best aircraft. The poor French can't win either way.
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Unread post19 Sep 2022, 15:04

All of this makes me want to YODEL!
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Unread post19 Sep 2022, 15:41

spazsinbad wrote:All of this makes me want to YODEL!


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Unread post19 Sep 2022, 23:35

Air2030: Procurement contract signed for the F-35A
19 Sep 2022 The Swiss Federal Council

"National Armaments Director Martin Sonderegger and the Swiss F-35A Program Manager Darko Savic signed the procurement contract on 19 September 2022 at armasuisse in Bern. With this, the procurement of 36 F-35A is contractually agreed. The aircraft will be delivered between 2027 and 2030 and will replace the current fleet of F/A-18 Hornets and F-5 Tigers.

The procurement for the purchase of the 36 F-35A amounts to 6,035 billion Swiss Francs and thus lies within the limits of the maximum financial volume approved by the Swiss electorate. The National Armaments Director Martin Sonderegger and the Program Manager for the procurement of the new combat aircraft, Darko Savic, have signed the contract. For their part, the US authorities have already signed the procurement contract.

In addition to the aircraft, the procurement cost of the F-35A also cover mission specific equipment, weapons and ammunition, a logistics package, mission planning systems, training systems and initial training. Furthermore, the cost for the integration into the Swiss command and control system, for support services by industry, a risk amount, the inflation in the country of manufacturer, the USA, as well as the VAT on imports are also included.

The prices are binding
Switzerland is procuring the aircraft via “Foreign Military Sales” (FMS) from the US government and at the same conditions that it applies to itself. The US government in turn transacts the procurement through its own contract – visible for the DDPS – with the manufacturer company Lockheed Martin. The prices and contractual conditions are defined bindingly in this contract and are also enforced by means of strict supervision.

In addition, Switzerland and the USA have negotiated a specific clause and signed a separate declaration which establishes the fixed price nature of the agreement.

Offset agreement concluded in parallel to the procurement contract
The head of Program Air2030, Peter Winter, and the F-35 Program Manager, Darko Savic, also signed the offset agreement with Lockheed Martin. This forms the basis for the US manufacturer to conduct offset businesses with the Swiss industry. In this manner, Swiss companies receive contracts with a volume of around 2.9 billion Swiss Francs."

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Unread post20 Sep 2022, 00:03

Swiss leaders sign $6.25 billion contract for F-35 fighter jets
20 Sep 2022 Vivienne Machi

"...The first eight F-35As will be manufactured at Lockheed Martin’s facilities in Fort Worth, Texas, where they will also be used to provide initial training for the Swiss pilots, Bern announced in March. At least 24 subsequent aircraft will be manufactured and assembled by Leonardo at the Final Assembly and Check-Out (FACO) facility in Cameri, northern Italy.

Officials are still examining whether four aircraft could be assembled in Switzerland, at Ruag’s facilities, a Swiss government spokesperson told Defense News on Monday. If that is not possible, those four will also be manufactured in Cameri, the spokesperson said....

...The Swiss government has been pushing to get the F-35 contract inked before the offer period ends next spring, amid efforts by the “Stop F-35″ coalition to schedule a popular referendum to block the sale. The coalition, made up of Swiss socialist and Green Party members, gathered over 100,000 signatures to launch a referendum campaign after the 2021 fighter aircraft selection, but Bern has consistently lobbied to move the deal forward despite the referendum demand. A Stop F-35 spokesperson expressed dismay at the contract signing in a Monday email to Defense News, and said that updates from the coalition will follow...."

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Unread post20 Sep 2022, 20:39

In an unexpected twist, the Stop F-35 coalition have withdrawn their ballot initiative! Looks like they've finally gotten the message that their posture was completely ridiculous as we'd already voted 2 years ago on whether to buy aircraft or not. Signing the contract called their bluff, very good manoeuvering by Viola Amherd there.

So now we can look forward to a normal acquisition program, deliveries to begin in 2027, in time hopefully for Block 4. What a lovely day today is! 8)

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fighter-jet-challenge-called-off-to-avoid--democratic-farce-/47913906
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