Norway to reduce F-35 order?

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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 16:18

doge wrote:They are saying that JSM is a drone. (!?) :shock: wow :doh:


When you think about it, the main difference between a cruise missile and a suicide drone is that the latter most likely isn't powered by a rocket motor or (mini) turbojet. And then there's the cruise missile's ability to loiter for a target to show up.
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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 17:01

What do the Norwegians know that the USAF does not? Paging Mr. Smith. Your flight to Oslo is now boarding...

110,000 Krono is $12,400 (US). Maybe the USAF needs some Norwegian accounting lessons? Or staffing lessons?

(It would be useful to know, though, what the NoAF CPFH for their Vipers is. However, they do not seem to be complaining about F-35 CPFH either.)
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 17:02

"CBT" -- Cross Border Training between Sweden, Norway, and Finland has reportedly occurred weekly since 2008.

Waiting to here those Gripen v Panther stories...

(Has Panther caught on with foreign services as well? Or is that a USAF / US-only nickname?)
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Unread post11 Sep 2021, 21:06

Whiteman B-2s Integrate with Norwegian F-35s
10 Sep 2021 Greg Hadley

"A pair of U.S. Air Force B-2s integrated with Norwegian F-35s over the North Sea on Sept. 8, as part of a recent Bomber Task Force deployment. The mission was “designed to test escort procedures, stand-off weapon employment, and the suppression and destruction of air defenses,” U.S. Air Forces in Europe-Air Forces Africa said in a press release. During the flight, the two different aircraft were able to link and use fifth-generation data sharing capabilities....

...This marks the second time in the last year and a half that B-2s from Whiteman have integrated with F-35As from the Royal Norwegian Air Force. Back in June 2020, the 509th Bomb Wing conducted a “long-range, long-duration” training mission with the fighters north of the Arctic Circle...." https://www.airforcemag.com/b-2s-train- ... he-region/

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Unread post12 Sep 2021, 04:52

B-2’s have MADL?
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Unread post12 Sep 2021, 12:46

steve2267 wrote:B-2’s have MADL?


If I'm not mistaken, yes they have.

Currently B-2 is the only other aircraft besides the F-35 that has MADL. Well, either this or the B-2 has a MADL compatible datalink.

Anyway according to this (I know it's wikipedia but...):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multifunc ... _Data_Link
Here are the platforms that have or were planned to have MADL:
The F-22 MADL upgrade was cancelled in 2010
The F-35 will have MADL built in
B-2 Spirit
US Navy surface combatants with Baseline 9 Aegis Combat System can take targeting data from F-35s via MADL.


Or, there's this non-wikipedia source:
https://www.aviationtoday.com/2018/09/0 ... ta-fusion/
MADL allows a lot. More information can be shared than via other methods and it’s hard to jam. The downside is that it’s really just for inter-F-35 communications. The B-2 Spirit bomber is MADL-compatible, and there were plans to upgrade the F-22 Raptor, but they were scrapped. There has been talk of other fighter upgrades to the new network, but it’s expensive and cumbersome.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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