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Re: Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

Unread postPosted: 31 Mar 2021, 16:35
by magitsu
"I have invited Finland to join the ECRS Mk2 radar programme, bringing Finnish expertise to its future development for the benefit of both our countries." - Jeremy Quin MP, UK Minister for Defence Procurement,
@DefenceES
https://twitter.com/BAES_Finland/status ... 0885384201

@RollsRoyce to put an #EJ200 production line in #Finland as part of #HXhanke bid
https://twitter.com/securitysplat/statu ... 9455114241

So the BAE offer is EJ200 production line, assembly of all Typhoons, ECRS mk 2 radar and SPEAR. Plus invitation to Tempest. Nothing surprising as they need to offer all they've got to have a chance and are certainly looking for payers for whatever they plan to be doing.

Re: Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

Unread postPosted: 31 Mar 2021, 17:51
by XanderCrews
magitsu wrote:Apparently Saab has trialed additive manufacturing with 3d printing a nylon patch (pic at the link as it's seen in the aircraft skin) to represent battle repairs. AM is bound to be a big chunk of the HX industrial partnership whoever wins.

https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-rel ... ge-repairs



Saab: Wow that F-35 sure does have expensive skin! Look at our cool new 3d printed skin part on this Gripen!

Public: Well then can't the F-35 also make 3D skin in the future, and make it more affordable?

Saab: This interview is over

Re: Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

Unread postPosted: 31 Mar 2021, 19:19
by magitsu
BAE sums up todays IR (you know, Global Britain :mrgreen: )/HX press brief:
https://www.baesystems.com/en-fi/articl ... -programme

Re: Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

Unread postPosted: 31 Mar 2021, 19:55
by XanderCrews
magitsu wrote:BAE sums up todays IR (you know, Global Britain :mrgreen: )/HX press brief:
https://www.baesystems.com/en-fi/articl ... -programme



is it a bit of a surprise to see them pushing this hard this late?

Re: Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

Unread postPosted: 31 Mar 2021, 21:27
by magitsu
XanderCrews wrote:is it a bit of a surprise to see them pushing this hard this late?


Maybe they are doing the same thing as Saab? Making an effort which is required to justify the government back home to pick up the bill after "fair try" to export and spread the costs around fails.

Re: Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

Unread postPosted: 31 Mar 2021, 22:28
by spazsinbad
I like the last sentence: https://www.baesystems.com/en-fi/articl ... -programme
"...“This transfer will result in a combined workload of approximately 1.5 million man hours over 40 years.”"

Re: Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

Unread postPosted: 07 Apr 2021, 20:06
by magitsu
https://corporalfrisk.com/2021/04/07/st ... ig-jammer/

Scott acknowledges that podded solutions are easier to tailor for a wide range of threats, but while he won’t disclose the closer specifications of what the AN/APG-81 can do as a jammer, there are some things he can tell:

All things that can kill you […] is within our jamming range.


That includes both hostile aircraft as well as missiles, or in general anything that can give a fire-control quality radar track.

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[Eielson AFB] was a plus up, adding two more squadrons of fighters […] The logistics footprint of the F-35 is actually less than that of the F-16



!!!
Here's an interesting description of the 30 day ALIS thing:
The rumoured 30 days limit to offline use is also just a rumour, with nothing more dramatic happening than day one falling out of the aircraft’s memory on day 31 if it hasn’t been able to upload the data in between.

Re: Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

Unread postPosted: 08 Apr 2021, 20:59
by magitsu
SvD sources: Some changes coming to Swedish Gripen programme in order to bring plans more in line with proposal to Finland. Possible decison on Thursday ahead of spring fiscal policy bill 2021.

https://twitter.com/GripenNews/status/1 ... 9131482119

Sweden promises to co-develop and acquire the same extra things that Finland would require. Likely a JASSM equivalent among the most notable things.

Re: Finnish DefMin Interest in F-35s NOT Gripens

Unread postPosted: 10 Apr 2021, 17:29
by doge
magitsu wrote:https://corporalfrisk.com/2021/04/07/stealth-dispersed-operations-and-a-big-jammer/
Scott acknowledges that podded solutions are easier to tailor for a wide range of threats, but while he won’t disclose the closer specifications of what the AN/APG-81 can do as a jammer, there are some things he can tell:
All things that can kill you […] is within our jamming range.

That includes both hostile aircraft as well as missiles, or in general anything that can give a fire-control quality radar track.
**
[Eielson AFB] was a plus up, adding two more squadrons of fighters […] The logistics footprint of the F-35 is actually less than that of the F-16


!!!
Here's an interesting description of the 30 day ALIS thing:
The rumoured 30 days limit to offline use is also just a rumour, with nothing more dramatic happening than day one falling out of the aircraft’s memory on day 31 if it hasn’t been able to upload the data in between.

Nice Post by magitsu ! :applause: The F-35's Powerful Jamming/EW.
and.
Myths of Kill Switch have been destroyed. 8) (MythBusters.)